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kjathena
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:59 pm |
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Earthling you may also want to check the website that ends in "sucks" you will find plenty of it there...will look more on this site when I am home and on computer not phone.
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JimHarrington
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:13 pm |
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c. staley wrote: Again a load of pure misinformation from HarringtonLaw.
Tennessee Production Center was sued in October 18, 2011 - case 2:11-cv-08612, still "certifying" KJs, still selling hard drives, announced early this year that there was "big news that would change the way you thought about karaoke".... and didn't even stop distributing until MAY 10, 2012.
And just like the pirates in the default judgment above, Tennessee Production Center hid their assets and disappeared like a cockroach when you turn the light on...
If you expect the readership here to allow you any credibility, you need to stop misleading them. Sorry, Chip, but you're just wrong. The entity that was doing business as Chartbuster during all of that time was not Tennessee Production Center, but Big Mama Digital Entertainment. TPC had ceased operations well before the the lawsuit had filed. Nobody "hid their assets." The assets that (presumably) you are referring to had been used to secure loans, and it is a matter of public record what happened to those assets. This is a good example of your not having all of the (easily accessible) facts and making stuff up to fit your predetermined narrative.
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c. staley
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:49 pm |
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HarringtonLaw wrote: c. staley wrote: Again a load of pure misinformation from HarringtonLaw.
Tennessee Production Center was sued in October 18, 2011 - case 2:11-cv-08612, still "certifying" KJs, still selling hard drives, announced early this year that there was "big news that would change the way you thought about karaoke".... and didn't even stop distributing until MAY 10, 2012.
And just like the pirates in the default judgment above, Tennessee Production Center hid their assets and disappeared like a cockroach when you turn the light on...
If you expect the readership here to allow you any credibility, you need to stop misleading them. Sorry, Chip, but you're just wrong. The entity that was doing business as Chartbuster during all of that time was not Tennessee Production Center, but Big Mama Digital Entertainment. TPC had ceased operations well before the the lawsuit had filed. Nobody "hid their assets." The assets that (presumably) you are referring to had been used to secure loans, and it is a matter of public record what happened to those assets. This is a good example of your not having all of the (easily accessible) facts and making stuff up to fit your predetermined narrative. Nice try at the nutshell game HarringtonLaw..... but it simply makes them out to be even worse. Again, you're not doing much to secure any credibility here with the readers or your clients. You're looking like your doing a "Mexican Technicality Hat Dance." But the basic facts are still the same: TPC, Big Mama or (now) Digitrax either has been, is or possibly will be selling what might be unlicensed material and the common denominators in the mix is that the same cast of questionable characters that has been behind the curtains the whole time. Unless of course, you'd like to inform the masses how they can verify that the tracks sold are in fact, licensed fully..... without saying that "you have to trust us."
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JimHarrington
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:01 pm |
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c. staley wrote: Nice try at the nutshell game HarringtonLaw..... but it simply makes them out to be even worse.
Again, you're not doing much to secure any credibility here with the readers or your clients.
You're looking like your doing a "Mexican Technicality Hat Dance."
But the basic facts are still the same: TPC, Big Mama or (now) Digitrax either has been, is or possibly will be selling what might be unlicensed material and the common denominators in the mix is that the same cast of questionable characters that has been behind the curtains the whole time.
Unless of course, you'd like to inform the masses how they can verify that the tracks sold are in fact, licensed fully..... without saying that "you have to trust us." For the record, I don't represent TPC, Big Mama, or Digitrax, and I never have. I represent an entity that is related to Digitrax, but they are separate companies. The people who own and run Digitrax are not the same people who owned and ran TPC and Big Mama. Again, that's a matter of public record. I have no idea whether TPC and Big Mama sold unlicensed material, and frankly I don't really care; they're out of business, and the people who owned them aren't part of the new operation. As for Digitrax, the investors who run that entity are committed to operating the business in a fully lawful manner, and I expect that their products are and will be offered on a fully licensed basis. If you aren't satisfied with the answers you receive from a manu regarding licensing, you are welcome and encouraged to find some other brand from whom you can get the assurances you need.
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c. staley
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:19 pm |
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HarringtonLaw wrote: For the record, I don't represent TPC, Big Mama, or Digitrax, and I never have. I represent an entity that is related to Digitrax, but they are separate companies.
The people who own and run Digitrax are not the same people who owned and ran TPC and Big Mama. Again, that's a matter of public record.
I have no idea whether TPC and Big Mama sold unlicensed material, and frankly I don't really care; they're out of business, and the people who owned them aren't part of the new operation.
Aye Chihuahua! (someone shooting at your feet?) Let's see: Tennessee Production Center went out of business, but Big Mama Entertainment was selling under the name of "Chartbuster Karaoke" but they went out of business too and just before going for good, handed off the trademark to Piracy Recovery, LLC so they can sue for the "Chartbuster Karaoke" trademark and then pulled a "slick Willey" and shuffled off the music to Digitrax? Sounds like Abbot & Costello's "Who's On First?" HarringtonLaw wrote: As for Digitrax, the investors who run that entity are committed to operating the business in a fully lawful manner, and I expect that their products are and will be offered on a fully licensed basis. Good.... After all the recent company "magic hat tricks and switcheroos," I'm sure that somebody will be watching closely. HarringtonLaw wrote: If you aren't satisfied with the answers you receive from a manu regarding licensing, you are welcome and encouraged to find some other brand from whom you can get the assurances you need. Sound to me like you're saying; "Either trust us, or use another brand".... Since you do represent the "sue KJ and venue arm" of this conglomerate, I can see where using another brand just might be the best advice you've posted in a long while.... (counter productive to your income of course).
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JimHarrington
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:43 pm |
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c. staley wrote: Let's see: Tennessee Production Center went out of business So far, so good. c. staley wrote: but Big Mama Entertainment was selling under the name of "Chartbuster Karaoke" I don't have the details on that transfer, but that is what happened. c. staley wrote: but they went out of business too Yes... c. staley wrote: and just before going for good, handed off the trademark to Piracy Recovery, LLC so they can sue for the "Chartbuster Karaoke" trademark and then pulled a "slick Willey" and shuffled off the music to Digitrax? ...and then you go off the rails with a fever dream. Nothing was "handed" to PR, nor "shuffled off" to DT. As I indicated before, the trademark, the catalog, and other assets were used as security for a note. Big Mama defaulted on the note, and the investors foreclosed. Or did you think that those assets should just go to the public domain, instead of the investors whose interests were secured with them?
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timberlea
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:06 pm |
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Jim, you really have to stop confusing Chip by using facts.
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earthling12357
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:25 pm |
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HarringtonLaw wrote: c. staley wrote: Again a load of pure misinformation from HarringtonLaw.
Tennessee Production Center was sued in October 18, 2011 - case 2:11-cv-08612, still "certifying" KJs, still selling hard drives, announced early this year that there was "big news that would change the way you thought about karaoke".... and didn't even stop distributing until MAY 10, 2012.
And just like the pirates in the default judgment above, Tennessee Production Center hid their assets and disappeared like a cockroach when you turn the light on...
If you expect the readership here to allow you any credibility, you need to stop misleading them. Sorry, Chip, but you're just wrong. The entity that was doing business as Chartbuster during all of that time was not Tennessee Production Center, but Big Mama Digital Entertainment. TPC had ceased operations well before the the lawsuit had filed. Nobody "hid their assets." The assets that (presumably) you are referring to had been used to secure loans, and it is a matter of public record what happened to those assets. This is a good example of your not having all of the (easily accessible) facts and making stuff up to fit your predetermined narrative. You are correct sir; there are some easily accessible facts that seem to contradict the stuff you appear to be making up. A quick search of the United States Patent and Trademark Office website shows that Tennessee Production Center owned the Chartbuster mark since it was filed on 01/13/2009 until they assigned it to Piracy Recovery on 04/19/2012. The ownership of that mark was never under the control of Big Mama Digital Entertainment outside of Tennessee Production Center. In fact the trademark for Big Mama Digital Entertainment was owned and controlled by Tennessee Production Center from 03/11/2003 until they assigned it to Big Mama Digital Entertainment on 06/07/2011. Attachment:
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So, when CAVS USA filed suit against Tennessee Production Center on 10/18/2011 Tennessee Production Center was still the owner of the Chartbuster Trademark. When the Default judgment was first issued on 04/17/2012 Tennessee Production Center was still the owner of the Chartbuster trademark. Big Mama Digital Entertainment never owned or controlled the Chartbuster trademark. In fact the transfer of the Big Mama Digital Entertainment trademark from Tennessee Production Center to Big Mama Digital Entertainment happened on 06/07/2011 days after Tennessee Production Center entered into a settlement agreement with Lynns Corp. of America and Victor Tsai on 04/29/2011. It was a settlement agreement that Tennessee Production Center promptly defaulted on after shuffling their assets. This default of their settlement resulted in a judgment against the Tennessee Production Center in the amount of $1,200,000.00 on 09/07/2011. Tennessee Production Center was still the owner and controller of the Chartbuster Trademark at that time as well. Of course after that, there was no point to responding to the CAVS suit that directly followed, the only move left was to unload product as fast as possible and try to shuffle the assets to new entities. Those entities include Piracy Recovery LLC which was described in an Arizona lawsuit filed on 04/20/2012 as: Case 4:12-cv-00298-DCB Document 1 Filed 04/20/12 wrote: 7. Plaintiff PR is a Wyoming limited liability company having its principal place of business in Knoxville, Tennessee. 27. Plaintiff PR is an affiliate of, and successor-in-interest to certain rights formerly belonging to, another of the leading U.S. manufacturers of karaoke accompaniment tracks, commonly known as Chartbuster Karaoke (“Chartbuster”). HarringtonLaw wrote: Nothing was "handed" to PR, nor "shuffled off" to DT. As I indicated before, the trademark, the catalog, and other assets were used as security for a note. Big Mama defaulted on the note, and the investors foreclosed.
Or did you think that those assets should just go to the public domain, instead of the investors whose interests were secured with them? I would expect as an attorney, perhaps you would agree that those assets should first go to those who have acquired judgments against those assets.
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c. staley
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:37 pm |
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Thanks Earthling12357, that'll leave a mark.
You know, it really is a credibility issue.... HarringtonLaw can dance and sing and deflect all he wants, there are simply KJ's that work their butts off moving equipment several nights a week with MORE integrity than Tennessee Production Center, Big Mama Entertainment, Piracy Recovery, LLC and even Digitrax combined.
And they must be getting very tired of the shenanigans.... I know I am.
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Paradigm Karaoke
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:57 pm |
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being the successor-in-interest, doesn't that mean they also aquire the debt against those assets? they get the good and the bad? now that is is in the hands of PRLLC, cant CAVS USA go and take claim on those assets?
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kjathena
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:24 pm |
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successor-in-interest does not necessarily inherit the debts Paradigm...do a bit of searching on legal sites for the term and you will learn a lot.
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JimHarrington
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:09 pm |
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earthling12357 wrote: I would expect as an attorney, perhaps you would agree that those assets should first go to those who have acquired judgments against those assets. If the judgments were prior in time to the security interests you might have a point. But they weren't, so you don't.
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BruceFan4Life
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:49 pm |
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Sounds very similar to when businesses know that they are about to go under and file for bankruptcy. They try to get as much inventory delivered on credit and run up their credit cards to the maximum. Then they have a fire sale and hide all the cash and as many assets as they can hide and then file for bankruptcy and walk away from the mess; leaving their customers and suppliers in the lurch. They probably try to sell a lot of extended warranties too knowing full well that they won't be around ro service any customers in the future. Those warranties are about as worthless as a Chartbuster Certification.
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kjathena
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:35 pm |
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_________________ "Integrity is choosing your thoughts, words and actions based on your principles and values rather than for your personal gain." Unknown "if a man has integrity, nothing else matters, If a man has no integrity, nothing else matters." Lee McGuffey
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Paradigm Karaoke
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:35 am |
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wish mine did
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c. staley
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:55 am |
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kjathena wrote: My Chartbuster certification is far from worthless. Then you are apparently failing (on purpose) to tell your venues that Chartbuster is (a) out of business and (b) was sued for fraud because they were selling unlicensed music. It's called a misrepresentation or omission of fact. Like presenting an expired (or fake) driver's license to a cop and keeping your thumb over the date - you know it's worthless and you're hiding that information purposefully for your advantage. But considering the source, that's not at all surprising. kjathena wrote: successor-in-interest does not necessarily inherit the debts Paradigm...do a bit of searching on legal sites for the term and you will learn a lot. I would expect to hear this same childish bullying tactic from Thunder; "The information is out there... go look it up yourself"
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kjathena
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:51 am |
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Good try again Chip. I explain that CB's interests have been taken over by Digitrax and that Piracy Recovery is continuing to sue those who use CB tracks without owning them. My certifications(all of them) help myself and my venues feel much safer. Not at all like trying to pass of an expired drivers license.....ready to try for strike 3 ?
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kjathena
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:56 am |
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Paradigm Karaoke wrote: wish mine did Wish yours did too Paradigm...dont know why you have seen so little benefit from them in your area....If I had an idea what we are doing differently I would gladly send you the "recipe" to duplicate.
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Lonman
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:45 am |
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They were making unlicensed SCDG, that is fact. The rest of their cdg library no one knows for fact if they were licensed or not.
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JimHarrington
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:39 pm |
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c. staley wrote: I would expect to hear this same childish bullying tactic from Thunder; "The information is out there... go look it up yourself" You're the pioneer of that "childish bullying tactic."
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