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download by subscription is not what "The Cloud Pro" will be( it does not exist yet). You will not own the tracks. There will be 2 options...A. streaming rental(expires every time computer is turned off) and B. remote access rental(expires and erases every month unless you pay by due date).

Any publisher will know exactly how many times the song they licence (for rental) is played....I am sure they will have an option just as with "sales" to pull licencing( if I own my discs I still have the song)....this will be a positive thing for the publishers...I am not sure if it will be good for all involved ( I personally don't want to explain to my customers why a song they have been singing for months is no longer available...I would rather own my music.

Downloads will be just as they are now...FOR HOME USE ONLY

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Lee McGuffey

All karaoke is...FOR HOME USE ONLY.
Publishers do not license karaoke to be released for public performance.
Check the labels on your disks.
Your discs are no different from downloads or streams. They were not licensed to be used in public performance.
Your karaoke becomes licensed for public performance when covered by ASCAP, BMI and SESAC.
It works the same way for downloads as it does for disks.

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??? Dupe from.where???

Made the same post twice so I removed one.

Earthling sorry I should have been clearer...."The Cloud" as well as all legitimate download sites state "NOT FOR PROFESSIONAL USE" that does differ slightly from "HOME USE ONLY"

The first can not be used professionally at all...my discs do require payment of fees to ASCAP/BMI ect to be used

Thanks for pointing this out I will be clearer in the future.

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Lee McGuffey

No side commercial gigs for u then, I guess ...

No "Cloud Pro" as of this time.....I do understand they are working on a "side" for that....we will have to wait and see when and what it becomes

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Lee McGuffey

I am referring to commercial gigs outside of bars/restaurants that do not pay ASCAP etc. fees.....

well ASCAP/BMI ect state you are supposed to pay them for that type of gig (commercial gigs outside of bars/restaurants that do not pay ASCAP etc..).check the websites for exact details...this has been the case for at least 5 years

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Lee McGuffey

Not asking for advice.. most people making comments on here aren't. Do u so these kind of gigs?

yes we work at 3 different wedding venues and pay our fees for the 2 that don't pay them....part of the cost of doing business. I also pay taxes including self employment tax and buy liability insurance....... I get the feeling that that is kind of unusual too

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"if a man has integrity, nothing else matters, If a man has no integrity, nothing else matters."
Lee McGuffey

Not trying to start anything...just seems like there has been conflicting info on here about non-venues being able to pay them...

as long as Pro fees are paid by someone it is perfectly legal

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Lee McGuffey

Did I read right the OP was sued for playing from real legal SC disks? Not copies or from a hard drive? I thought that was legal...

Also I would like to mention I am also on a payment plan for my drive. My payments are still showing as going to Big Mama Digital Entertainment and I have not been contacted by Digitrax for any changes.

Karaokegod73 the OP said "As I just settled a karaoke lawsuit based on not having permission for public performance for my legally owned cdgs, I just want to get it right this time.
Columbus Ohio K J"

Knowing about the lawsuits I took this as he had media-shifted without permission Hench the "lawsuit based on not having permission" portion....I assume he was a "technical infringer" Playing from original disc= 100% legal...converting without permission = lawsuit when you are caught

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Lee McGuffey

Sounds like it to me:



So let's see:

#1. He owns the CDG's
#2. He got sued - whether or not they were "mediashifted" was not specified.
#3. He's really caused them NO damage at all if he owns the discs and mediashifted.
#4. His "penalty" for purchasing their product and using it on (apparently) a computer was a lawsuit and a settlement.

Doesn't that make you feel better about using the SC brand?

I guess Judges disagree with "our own court reporter Chip" on the whole media-shifters cause no harm part. Technical infringers have to pay as well.....Wonder if it's really smart to take the word of "our own court reporter Chip" over the legal precedence that has been set ?

If you own your discs save yourself tons of hassle...Call SC and set up your own Pro-active audit and get certified...its a lot cheaper than the options.

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"if a man has integrity, nothing else matters, If a man has no integrity, nothing else matters."
Lee McGuffey

Does it make you feel better when you try to minimize others? Very small, Athena. Very small. And what exactly is it that you do again? What standing do you have in the legal community?

BTW...Chip is not a court reporter.

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Birdofsong

I deleted and reposted this further down.

InsaneKJ or WallOfSound write all of this for you? Please provide a link to the "legal precendence" you claim has been set: that would include the case and the precedent-setting rulings - there will be more than one - and default judgments don't cut the mustard.



Not quite.

An audit costs at least $150 right? And you get all your discs marked, registered and have to "report to SC" if you acquire 2% more.. sign a contract... yadda... yadda...

Dropping the brand -- which will automatically include freeing yourself and your venues from any/all associated reporting or legal hassles that might go along with it -- is absolutely free.

KJ's like free, venues like free.