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but PR will have a trademark to protect.....the CB trademark belongs to them now

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Lee McGuffey

I'm sorry this is the internet, it has no borders. Further there is nothing in the rule that say the Board is exclusive to American or that Canadians cannot participate. Xenophobic much? So I think I will stick around for a long time.

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You have already been given permission to display that trademark.
Do you think Piracy Recovery will have the right to rescind previous agreements?
If so, that would certainly reflect poorly upon the value of these "certifications".

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SC has stated that they can change their position on media shifting at any time, their attorney has backed up that statement as well. therefore PR can change their position on CB trademarks at any time.

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it is possible that they COULD...but personally I do not think they WOULD

To expand on my thoughts....I am sure there are plenty of real track thieves for PR to go after...I am sure the investors that now own the trademark have the list of those who certified (we were in 1st group and did re-certify as well) and I am equally as sure they would have the records of those who took advantage of the end of business sales as well.

Personally I am comfortable in the small level of risk that may exsist

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"if a man has integrity, nothing else matters, If a man has no integrity, nothing else matters."
Lee McGuffey

And that also includes the "cost to certify" with them can go up considerably.

As with the cost of anything else you buy. Very few things I know of go down in price as time goes on, most things go up.

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Just to name a few......

The costs of VCRs have gone down.
The costs of Flat Screen TVs have gone down.
The costs of Digital Cameras have gone down.
The costs of DVDs (TV Series, movies, etc...) have gone down.

Cue, everything you mentioned were electronics.

The cost of gas, power, food, clothing, housing (overall except a certain country's bubble burst), etc is up from the last couple of years. When was the last time there was a deflaton and not an inflation or increase in the cost of living? Even with the recession, I didn't see prices for the majority of things go down.

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Apples to oranges Timberlea.... Cue is simply pointing out that your broad-based statement is incorrect.

And Cueball is correct: the price of lots of consumer goods has gone down, especially as technology advances, but your reply above is a list of items that are not usually considered "consumer goods" (here in the U.S.) but they are "commodities."

A bad storm in South America or Florida is not going to affect the price of televisions, radios, computers or washers and dryers because these are "products" and not "commmodities." It will affect the price of "food commodities" like citrus and fruit products.

Thank you for seeing my point.

For once, I must agree with you. I wish the United States would stick their nose back in their OWN business, and stay out of the business of policing the rest of the world.

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My apologies in advance if I misunderstood your post. However, if the cert is STILL "getting you lots of jobs" and even you figure it's null, does that mean that you are not up front with your venues and are representing the cert as from a company that is not out of business? Actually mis-representing it?

As for gaining more jobs, my guess is that comes through certain other efforts, but I could be mistaken....

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" Disc based and loving it..."

For once, I must agree with you. I wish the United States would stick their nose back in their OWN business, and stay out of the business of policing the rest of the world.[/quote]

Now, now......you know Big Business is always looking for cheap resources, and slave labor to increase profits, and eliminate the American worker. Send the military in, and iron out anyone or anything that stands in their way......exploit the people and their natural resources for truth, justice, & the American way........
I'd say this falls under legal or just say no.....

Where did I ever even imply I had an idea even close to that( the certs being NULL) ? I feel the cert is as good as gold until someone comes up with a way to certify with PR. I am VERY upfront with the venues I speak with. They are made aware of ALL of the current developments in the industry including CB no longer being in business and PR's intended protection of the CB trademark. They are also made aware that as soon as a way to certify with PR becomes available I will be in line to do my audits. Integrity does matter to some venue owners/managers as well.

There are things that have helped me book the jobs I am currently getting but the biggest by far is the ability to show that I have done everything possible to prove I own every track I play on original Disc...and that in doing so the venues are protected from liability. Once I book a new show I have the chance to prove how much better I am than any of the other karaoke companies they may have used If I cant get my foot in the door all opportunity is lost. My rates are up over 30% from the same time last year...I am able to be picky when accepting new venues and I am seeing an increase in singers. I tend to give credit where credit is due. Yes I did put a lot of time and effort into educating my local venues...if I had not I may not be seeing the change I am seeing now...so yes My efforts made a diffrence

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"Integrity is choosing your thoughts, words and actions based on your principles and values rather than for your personal gain."
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"if a man has integrity, nothing else matters, If a man has no integrity, nothing else matters."
Lee McGuffey

Been posting the same for awhile. Thanks Rick!

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" Disc based and loving it..."

1) HUH? See your post on page two, and also quoted above: "Now that someone else owns the trademark I have a feeling that all previous Certifications are null and void as the new holder of the trademark hasn't given anyone permission to SHIFT."


No implication- you stated outright that you feel the cert is null and void. Straight out, no ifs, ands, or buts. Nothing left to question. If you believe it void- as you have stated- then using it for a sales tool is disingenuous at best.

2) The certifying entity is dead and gone, and the cert has nothing to do with any other manufacturer, and offers absolutely no protection from the same- it's worthless. Kind of like the warranty on my Saturn- the company is gone, and that's the end of it. The only way it can be used as a sales tool is if you are not telling your venues this, and touting it as something that still has an entity giving it any validity and offering protection- which is false. I don't believe that would qualify as "educating" your venues.

No problem. While this not my style and not the way I do business, I am not the be all and end all of karaoke. If you are comfortable with it, then get your business any way you see fit.

However, I still believe any new business is coming from another sort of strategy. Either way, whatever you need to do is what you need to do. Your business is your own.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

That wasn't KJAthena's quote. It was originally made by Lone Wolf, and KJAthena used it in her post (without using the QUOTE). The HaHaHA was KjAthena's. Joe, take a look 6 posts prior to your reference. This is how it should have appeared:

A case study in the importance of proper forum quoting!

Yes... I agree that KJAthena should have used quotes for that particular post.

But....

Also a case study in reading retention and comprehension. I'm not going to re-quote the whole passage again... part of one's ability to retain what they read.