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Personally still don't trust them as far as I can throw them.

And yes we have the trademark because we came up with the name and the technology.

Most KJs on this forum wouldn't exist if we hadn't created that format and the players to support it. We are not asking for donations, but a simple thank you would be nice.

Let me try to understand that comment you don't trust them but you seem to blindly trust a company that is suing it's own customers Very cheap statement in my opinion... I trust them and glad they exist, they sell by track at a good price and they also offer the best Karaoke producer today in Zoom

The USPTO lists your trademarks as abandon as of June 1, 2012.
You might want to consider renewing.

I don't blindly trust anyone......I do my research and form my opinions. I have posted the info on this site for anyone to confirm that downloads are not licensed or use in the USA and Canada....every other site I have found does list in the T.O.S the disclaimer abet normally well hidden...Tricerasoft is the only site where I can not find it at all. As Professional KJ's we are held to a higher standard of care.....educate yourself....decide what level of liability you are willing to place yourself and your venues under and don't play victim when you have to pay the price.

All Songs are sold for USE and permission for KJs, Enthusiasts, or Private/Home entertainment.

THE FOLLOWING IS EMAIL REGARDING
KARAOKE VERSION FROM MGR Philippe Marchal
Head of Licensing

-------- Message original -------- Sujet: Karaoke-Version rickberry_rse@hotmail.com en wrberryrse
Date : Sat, 11 Feb 2012 22:41:06 +0100 (CET)
De : support@recisio.com (Karaoke-Version Contact)
Répondre à : rickberry_rse@hotmail.com
Pour : support@office.recisio.com

I have a legal question. I am a Veteran Kj of 24 years now. I have been a customer of your for 3 years. I am using your songs in my Karaoke shows. As of Jan 2012, I am being audited by Sound Choice (aka Slep-tone Entertainment) I am okay with that as I am legal..I thought.

I am being told from several ppl that my downloads from you at Karaoke Version and Tricerasoft as well, are illegal. That I am not allowed to have these in my system and use these in my shows...huh??? I have never seen this information anywhere on your site, and I have looked. As far as Tricerasoft goes, they specifically cater to the professional Kj's and expect their media to be used in public and sell the professional Kj Hosting programs as well. I have their permissions.
Can you please enlighten me here. Am I in the wrong? Have I been misled and did I misunderstand? I have much money invested in your downloads and I am at a loss for words here.
Thanks for your time.
Rick Berry
-------------------------------------------------------------- Message original
Sujet: Karaoke-Version rickberry_rse@hotmail.com en wrberryrse
Date : Sat, 11 Feb 2012 22:41:06 +0100 (CET)
De : support@recisio.com (Karaoke-Version Contact)
Répondre à : rickberry_rse@hotmail.com
Pour : support@office.recisio.com


Dear Rick,

Thanks for contacting us.

If you have a written statement from Sound Choice saying that our downloads are illegal, please provide us with a copy.

I must say that karaoke-version operated by our company Recisio is one of the most legal companies in this field. We usually tolerate use of playbacks and karaokes purchased from our website for public performance in licensed venues. So I do not think that Sound Choise allegations are true.

Please do not hesitate to contact me should you have further queries.

Kind Regards,

Philippe Marchal
Head of Licensing
+33 6 13 51 25 67

Recisio / Tency Music
http://www.recisio.com
http://www.tencymusic.com

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FYI - to those reading this, One does not need to "archive" or back up anything from Karaoke version BECAUSE every time you buy a song file from them... KARAOKE VERSION saves the file download for you and at anytime you can go and retrieve the file again at your convienience if it is needed.
Archiving Karaoke version files is a Mute point.
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SOOOO, I will now address your above statement. I mentioned that I have had several conversations with these ppl, not only at tricerasoft personally, BUT also with SUNFLY and SBI. I made it known that I know my rights and Know what I was told I can and can't do with these song files.
I also understand that one's word is never enough these days. No one here will ever believe anything I say anyways.

BUT Here is the Mail I received from Sunfly regarding my (me personally) Downloaded songs. I would not suggest anyone doing this JUST because I have these permissions. You should each seek your own written permissions from the Manufacturer yourself!!!!!!!

I have a email History with these ppl, they know me, my situations and my intent.

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SUNFLY MUSIC

HERE IS THE FOLLOWING EMAILS FROM
SUNFLY GENERAL MANAGER COLIN SIMMONS.


Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:22:24 +0000
Subject: Sunfly Downloads
From: csimmons@sunflymusic.com
To: rickberry_rse@hotmail.com

Hi Rick
Thanks for your email dated February 11.
To put your mind at rest, Tricerasoft are legitimately entitled to distribute our products as relevant publishing is paid by them. I will forward your email to Tricerasoft so they can reply and put the record straight in their own words. You can then share that with Sound Choice. I am sure Tricerasoft will be interested to see your email so they can communicate with Sound Choice and stop them from issuing inaccurate information about them.
Thanks
Colin

Colin Simmons
General Manager

Sunfly Music
6 Wellesley Court, Apsley Way, London NW2 7HF

Tel: +44 (0) 208 450 5544
Email: csimmons@sunflymusic.com

Copyright Law of The United States
Title 17 of the United States Code

Chapter 1
§ 109
(a) Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106(3), the owner of a particular
copy or phonorecord lawfully made under this title, or any person authorized by
such owner, is entitled, without the authority of the copyright owner, to sell or
otherwise dispose of the possession of that copy or phonorecord.

Chapter 6
§ 602
(a) Infringing Importation or Exportation.—

(1)Importation.—Importation into the United States, without the authority of the owner of copyright under this title, of copies or phonorecords
of a work that have been acquired outside the United States is an infringement
of the exclusive right to distribute copies or phonorecords under section 106,
actionable under section 501.
(2) Importation or exportation of infringing items.— Importation into the United States or exportation from the United States, without the authority of the owner of copyright under this title, of copies or phonorecords, the making of which either constituted an infringement of copyright, or which would have constituted an infringement of copyright if this title had been applicable, is an infringement of the exclusive right to distribute copies or phonorecords under section 106, actionable under sections 501 and 506.

(3) Exceptions.—This subsection does not apply to—

(B) importation or exportation, for the private use of the importer or
exporter and not for distribution, by any person with respect to no more
than one copy or phonorecord of any one work at any one time, or by
any person arriving from outside the United States or departing from the
United States with respect to copies or phonorecords forming part of such
person’s personal baggage;

I wish I had run into more people like you when I was part owner in a used car lot I would have made a lot more $$$$

earthling12357,
To borrow your words

Your premise is flawed.
Your argument is flawed.
Your logic is flawed.

UK companies have been banned from importing CDG's since early last year. The only exception is 1 of sales directly to a consumer. Try and buy recent Sunfly discs from a US retailer or brick and mortar you will find you can not do so...same with any other UK company still in business.

Oh and by the way I never sold cars...I owned interest in a used car lot.

Since we are having nearly identical conversations simultaneously on two threads, I will just copy and paste this response to the other.

KJAthena,

In your comments here you have provided no evidence to back up what you claim.
When asked for evidence, you have merely quoted yourself.

I have made the claim that legally purchased downloads are legal in the United States, and I offered actual proof. I don’t mind you making fun of me with your used car salesman comment, yet you offered absolutely nothing in terms of actual proof of your position.

Once again I shall offer actual proof of my statement:




As you can see, importation of a lawfully made copy is legal.
In fact these are the same laws you would site to justify your importation of your custom discs. If you choose to maintain that your importation of custom discs is a legal act, then you must agree that it is the same with a download, or admit that you will ignore the law to get what you want (just like a pirate would).

Your premise is flawed.
Your argument is flawed.
Your logic is flawed.
And your double standard is glaring.
Of course in addition to risk, we all choose our own levels of integrity, and honesty that we are willing to accept for ourselves.

What is the point to siting laws from other countries?
That is misleading.

We are in the United States of America.
It is the laws of the United States that govern our ability to import anything.
That is why I sited the United States law that allows us to import MP3+G downloads as well as your custom CDGs.
If you can't site United States law that prohibits it, then you may as well site law from Liechtenstein because it would be just as irrelevant.