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GOOD TRY Chip...Did you miss this part "I am going to start with 9 songs(released by American artists) that have the rights owned by 3 major(U.S) publishers....as I have email address for those....will try and find karaoke tracks offered by a cross selection of UK manufactures as well."

I was suggesting Earthling12357 request assistance from you.....I have no need of your assistance.

Oh and the post you took your snippet from WAS written by me not a ghostwriter I am the one that has been trying to get people to do the research on downloads themselves for the last couple of months (after months of researching myself). This can be verified by researching the threads.


I do thank Harringtonlaw for chiming in however...maybe some people will now take the time to EDUCATE themselves

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Lee McGuffey

Yes, you're right. I have said several times that separate licensing is an option. I don't know that I've said it in this thread.

I only brought up CDGs to illustrate what I view to be an important difference between CDGs and downloads, and to comment on your use of § 602.

Clark Music is selling Clark Music's licensed product made from SC components.

Okie dokey....

The fact that you believe in PRS and not all of the others is distressing.

PRS is NOT A LICENSING AGENCY. They are a litigation income based company, just like SC. They will say whatever they can to intimidate "settlement" money out of KJs. THESE companies are the ones that you believe in? That is truly distressing.

While I am certainly not completely sure what the situation really is, these two companies- and any others that pop up with the same income model- would not only be the very last companies that I would believe- what they say would be discounted entirely....

On the other hand: I don't trust the folks who market the product either. Since I have seen no evidence that the music owners/publishers and others involved have licensed their music for downloads FROM THEM, I must agree with Athena and assume that they are not licensed for this purpose..

However, the legal burden can be lifted from the KJs' shoulders thusly:

The downloading entity adds a text file with each track stating that said track is fully licensed for use in U.S. based karaoke shows by the publisher/owner. That's it. quite simple. Then the KJ has recourse if contacted by the publisher/owner and can pass liability back to the downloader. So far, it hasn't happened, and I have to wonder why.

Until it does happen, all possible legal liability rests on the KJ- which is how the companies like it, because they have covered themselves.

Something else to think about. At this point we can pretty much all agree that virtually every karaoke producer has not been completely forthright about the licensing of every single one of their tracks. This brings two points to mind:

1) If they haven't been forthright about their music licensing, what would make you sure that they are being forthright about download licensing?

2) Any tracks that were produced by ANY company that weren't licensed in the first place certainly cannot be licensed for download use in a U.S. based karaoke show.

If you feel the risk is minimal enough, then choose as you will. No judgement here, just observation.

Please note: I am talking strictly about using downloads as a KJ in a U.S. based show. I am not discussing the purchase for home use or anything else. Not the purchase, the actual use.

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Hence, my statement in regard to risk. No one may be prosecuting at this time- I don't know- but the owners/publishers CAN if they so desire. Not just downloads either. PC hosts, and even OMD hosts work in an area of lgality that's open for dispute if certain entities stir up enough crap to cause the publishers/owners to show an interest.

Again, if the tracks are truly licensed for this sort of download use, there is absolutely no reason why a few lines of documentation cannot be included with the download to protect the KJ. I don't think you will be seeng that soon, though.....

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" Disc based and loving it..."

JoeC....you need to do a bit more research as your premise is flawed. "PRS for Music (formerly the Performing Right Society) is a UK copyright collection society undertaking collective rights management for musical works. PRS for Music was formed in 1997 as the MCPS-PRS Alliance, bringing together two collection societies: the Mechanical-Copyright Protection Society (MCPS) and Performing Right Society (PRS).[1] The PRS for Music brand was adopted in 2009." winkpedia They oversee all UK licensing including the LOML+....they are similar to ASCAP/BMI/ect

I am continuing on with my plan to contact publishers to ask if they have licensed songs to these companies to allow downloads outside of the LOML+ licensing allowing for downloads here in the USA. I would suggest others do the same. As I am certain that some here will dismiss any findings I may post.

Downloads for professional use are not licensed in this country and I intend to prove it, for months I have been trying to get people to educate themselves and been called a liar....at this point I don't really care about how much crap is stirred I have a big spoon

I guess I have become the entity called Athena

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Lee McGuffey

WHOOPS! Here comes your second apology in a week- sorry.

WHen you posted PRS, I mistook it for Piracy Recovery. Shouldn't there be an "MC" in front of those letters?

You don't have large letter your belief to me. Since you apparently stopped reading my post after the first paragraph, you didn't note that in the rest of my post I was agreeing with you.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

No you are thinking of MCPS. Kind of like ASCAP & BMI - different entities doing the same thing.

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Not quite. ASCAP, BMI, or SESAC does NOT collect a license fee on the manufacture or sales of karaoke discs/tracks for any use.

Don't hold your breath on athena's "research".... I'm still waiting to find out if I'm actually a KJ and have "a horse in the race."....

Chip if not for the terms of use rules on this site information would have been posted LONG time ago...I will not be baited into getting banned...but another good try

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Lee McGuffey

I'm not baiting you into anything. I'm simply pointing out that you are much more often nothing but hot air. You make promises you don't keep and attempt to position yourself as some kind of authority without a shred of proof to back up your words. Quoting yourself doesn't constitute "authoritative proof."

So, "nice try" as you to put it.

the only time I have not posted proof, was in not posting any shows you had because it would end up me being banned for violating the rules of this site....at this point you are TROLLING and I hope a moderator sees this and bans your...to borrow your words "flubby behind"

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"if a man has integrity, nothing else matters, If a man has no integrity, nothing else matters."
Lee McGuffey

Funny!

I'm not "trolling anything" and I've not seen any substantial proof provided by you of ANYTHING.... other than parroting HarringtonLaw, blaming all the pirates of the world for your woes while you spew your double standards like popcorn and ignoring the fact that you were "certified" by a HUGE commercial pirating organization. Oh, I see: it's perfectly fine if any manufacturer pirates music from publishers... because that benefits YOU .... but if it doesn't, then it's "evil piracy that's ruining the industry.".... yeah, right.

Now, do yourself a favor and use that "ignore button" you so often advise others to use and just leave me alone.

Capish?

why don't you take your own advise ? the ignore button on your screen works as well as the one on mine....and as I remember it the last time I had you on ignore you "stalked me" and posted about a very old MySpace page I did not even know existed.

If continuous baiting in an attempt to get someone to violate the rules of this forum is not trolling I do not know what would be.

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Lee McGuffey

Just because you are using the words "bait" and "troll" in your posts doesn't make it true. But it's a "nice try."

Really... You need to move on and stop with the tantrums.

Hey, here's an idea, why don't you too click on the ignore button, that would be a Nice Try this way we could go back on the subject