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guess we will have to wait and see if they will spend the money to do so for such a small market share......personally I don't think they will

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The labels have had the past 20 years to put their product into karaoke, especially in the heyday but didn't because it was economical. With downloads perhaps maybe but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting. The market is just too small and would add to the piracy they are already fighting.

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it took 20 years of being ripped of by companies like sound choice and chart busters and others to get there butts in gear

and now with manu trying to stream their stuff watch what happins

I bet those renditions would kick (@$%&#!)!!

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It's not like there is a huge cost for the labels. You mix one more time minus one track and contract someone to add the graphics. The song would never even need to be put on disk. so zero manufacturing costs. Every song sold is almost pure profit. I think the artists are the ones that don't want it. But if they don't do it, someone else will. Or already has...

Actually with most recordings, you wouldn't even need to remix. Almost all recording now adays is multi-tracked with the vocals being completely separate.

All they would have to do is delete the lead vocal track. Take about 30 seconds, and your done.

It's already been done with Taylor Swift's Music. Big Machine who is her publisher did two of her albums, so it's an easy thing to do.

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just ignore me.....

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Ahem! i-tunes is a middle man

Bruce, believe he meant in the same fashion of itunes but on say the artist's store or the label's store.

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iTunes may be considered a "middle-man"--but they just aren't as BIG around the middle, IYKWIM: not as much fat to sustain as in "the past"...

2 responses out of 12 in so far...both were no...the publishers state they did not authorize ANYONE to offer karaoke downloads for use in the USA and that the licensing they did authorize for use here is for physical media only......... ten more to go.

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Yup, and that doesn't bode well for the Karaoke Cloud and those attempting it, like SC and Digi-Trax, I guess.....

.... And yeah, attempting a streaming or download service may well wake the sleeping giants- which could be bad for EVERYONE. Why? We hosts operate with their tacit permission- or I should say without the giants wanting to bother putting forth an effort to regulate karaoke.

Massive streaming/downloading efforts by some without their permission could change that. One possibility is a complete Cease & Desist issued by the owners to hosts, and then we're all done. PC based hosts would face further legal liability, since download sites of any sort refuse to issue documentation taking the responsibility for use in U.S. based shows with each track, leaving all responsibility on the KJ's shoulders- which is just the way they like it.

Another possibility is that they would only allow the use of tracks produced by THEM, which would mean rebuilding libraries from scratch.

Again, these are only POSSIBLE scenarios.

This could be an example of pure business stupidity on the mfrs. part as well. If nothing but Owner Published music could be used, or a Cease & Desist issued, SC's current business model goes out the window. They can't sue people who aren't playing their tracks, and they can't force sales of GEMS. Of course, Digi-Trax would be in ownership of an unuseable library as well, and PR would be in the same boat as SC.

All because of SC & Co. ( Yup, I see it as SC first as they are the extremely squeaky wheel, with whoever follows) will have stirred up too much crap. This is the sort of thinking that turns bigger successful companies into teeny or non-existent ones......

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Yes...where is the "loophole"???

I challenge any and all hosts to research ANY 12 recently released karaoke tracks(it is easier to determine the current owner of recent tracks than to follow a ownership trail) Contact the publishers directly and ask the same very general questions I am asking. This will answer the question of the legality of downloads here in the USA and the hosts will then be able to make decisions based on TRUE information.

From what I have learned hosts that own every track on original manufactures disc are insulated from problems if they are playing from CDG or are digital.

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Not sure where that statement puts the legitimacy of the "audit" process, then...

If the CB to DT trail is anywhere close to accurate as depicted on this forum, then the new company would be foolish to put the product out there, along with, and endorsed by, other manus, without some assurances of its legitimacy, as they would be creating a whole other trail of excrement to wade through...

why would this issue have anything to do with audit processes ? we are discussing the legality of downloads here in the USA...apples and oranges

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Just relating it to the comment about how others don't have a problem with digital transfer WITHOUT audit...

No comment on my CB to DT observation?

no one said there was no need for an audit...the audits are being performed by the manufactures of the karaoke tracks...if you re-read my statement you will see that what I stated was "From what I have learned hosts that own every track on original manufactures disc are insulated from problems if they are playing from CDG or are digital."........has anyone come up with a way to confirm ownership of original manufactures discs on a 1-1 basis without an audit ?

Apples and oranges.

In this thread we are discussing the legality of downloads here in the USA....if you wish to discuss validity of audits there are plenty of threads on that subject or you could start a new one.

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