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Though I am not pro-SC methodology, I believe that pirates ( by that I mean those who have actually STOLEN THEIR MUSIC- and no other definition) are theives, plain and simple. As such, I hope that THOSE FOLKS get caught, and deserve anything that happens to THEM. No one cares what happens to THEM, all hope THEY get put out of business at the very least, and that example can be made of THEM.

Why did I post this? I thought it might be good to remind folks that most of us agree on the important things way more than we disagree.

While we debate methodology, it may be helpful to remember that we are really on the same side, and maybe we could ease up a bit?

That being said, I request that if anyone feels a need to break into "Kum Ba Ya" please be kind enough to do so quietly, and to yourself....

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

i think most people on this forum agree with this sentiment.

now, if we cant sing, can we still have smores?

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Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

I'm in and fully agree.

Stop the hard drive sellers, stop the piracy. Seems almost too simple to have to say. When cops go after illegal drugs, they don't just bust the users, they go after the source, drug dealers. And, they don't offer to sell the drug users a legal version of the drugs in place of prosecution.

I find it funny that SC is working so hard to catch KJ's when all they have to do is go to just about any Craigslist and type Karaoke in the search block and find hard drives for sale. There are ads that I continually flag as prohibited from the same people willing to copy their music onto your hard drive or sell you a hard drive. These ads are put up daily and are easy to find and even if I flag them multiple times it seems that they are not taken down.

These are the people that they need to go after. Just one such ad on today's list, this ad is in no way associated with me.

"I have a 1TB external hard drive with program to run the dj and karaoke music. I will also include a Dell laptop with everythingeverything installed and ready to go. The hard drive has over 100000 djdj and 100000 karaoke songs. I am willing to show you how it works. Make me a good offer. Cash and good trades wel come."

Its been flagged today, yesterday and multiple times this week but to no avail!

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@ loneWolf

Craigslist seldom cares.. All you can do is try..

It is not illegal to sell a hard drive.], even if it is loaded with music. It may be assumed that the buyer will use the drive at home for personal use. Craigslist can't stop that. It's like gas stations that sell pot pipes and have little stickers on them saying "for tobacco use only". There is nothing the authorities can do about it. Think about it, if you were to buy one of those loaded hard drives and used it at home, there is not a damned thing anyone could do about it. Look at that ad. There is nothing in it about running a karaoke show. That is why Craigslist won't pull it down.

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I am the ONLY SANE 1 HERE

This is not correct.

And we do file lawsuits against the HD sellers. When we stop them, more pop up in their place.

But apparently, it's not as profitable to sue them because there is really no realistic settlement to be had. So your lawsuits against the "dealers" (HD sellers) in the last couple years has been how many? Maybe a (single) handful at the most?

How many lawsuits against "users" (KJ's) that you go after monetary compensation? 500? 750? 1,000?

Your client is not out to "save the industry" and it's apparent that all they want is settlements.... Which explains why your client has a monetary/ownership interest in Piracy Recovery and very little to none in Digitrax.

Here's an honest question for you:

Exactly how many HD sellers should we have sued before we started dealing with the KJs?

(Or, stated another way, do you think that a KJ who purchases a preloaded HD, or who otherwise steals tracks, should be allowed to continue to use the material he obtained?)



From the beginning we have made it clear that our first priority was to save the company. I'm not sure why you think that goal is inappropriate.

However, our efforts are also directed at saving the industry, and they ultimately will.



Care to back up that statement with a source? Or are you just making stuff up again?

You can't tell me what to do...... Kum Ba Ya....Sound Choice.......Kum Ba Ya.......
You complement my voice......Kum Ba Ya
You are my first choice......Kum Ba ya
Sound Choice.....Kum Ba Ya.......

I would've expected you to file almost as many suits against the sellers of hard drives as you have the hosts that use them in clubs. Any other disproportional rate indicates that you are obviously more interested in the monetary compensation from KJ's – and need more of them created by the hard drive sellers that you are leaving alone.

The hard drive sellers are easier to find – your investigation can be completed from the comfort of your chair – without expending a single dime on gasoline to drive from one club to another.

Your actions are more like the police in a Third World country: they will stand on the corner and watch a drug dealer sell drugs to an American tourist. Then they will bust the tourist once the drug dealer has walked away because their country needs money, and the tourist can buy their way out of jail. So you have an economic incentive to leave the hard drive sellers alone and bust only the KJ's that use them.




I never said it was an inappropriate goal nor do I even "think" it is in a inappropriate goal– you said it, not me. in the same breath however, and in approximately the same proportion as you deal with hard drive sellers, the interest in "saving the industry" as demonstrated by your actions is very tiny in proportion to your efforts to acquire monetary settlements.

In a nutshell: you'll do as little as possible to stop the hard drive sellers – because you need them to make new customers for you to sue. In the meantime, you are going to continually proclaim that you are "helping to save the industry." And it's all a sham.



I have my sources – and you have yours. Simply because you may not be privy to this information does not necessarily make the information in and of itself untrue or a fabrication.

Deal with it.

So the answer is "making stuff up again."

What makes the information untrue, and fabricated, is the fact that it is untrue. There are 7 people who are in a position to have direct knowledge of the truth or falsity of your assertion. I'm one of them. I'm in regular communication with all 6 of the others. You're not.

Ah yes, another olive branch beaten into a sword in no time flat.

OK, change Kum Ba Ya to Eve Of Destruction and keep on boogying......

I think I'll go to another thread and annoy someone....

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

No, that's "your answer." I have my sources, and you have yours. (obviously you didn't understand that the first time.)

I don't care if you have seven people, or seventy people, it makes no consequence to me. You're welcome to call it a fabrication all you like, and you can continue to throw your tantrum and claim that you are one of the "secret inner circle" that knows the real truth in your bid to boost your credibility.

And since you apparently didn't understand it the first time: just because I have information that you do not, does not necessarily mean that I have to share it with you nor does it necessarily mean that it is a fabrication.

You are welcome to believe it to be untrue if it will lower your blood pressure and make you feel better.

Perhaps you are not so well invested in your "inner circle of 6" as you believe you are.

Or possibly you can present the truth... but you'd be required to ask one of the other six in the group because it's obvious you're clueless.

if the suits are already going to be filed jointly, why not buy a drive from these guys on craigslist, e-bay, or any other site online and add them to the suit? you would have proof that someone did something wrong and be a stronger case than with the non-existant.....oops sorry......confidential proof on the hosts. make it known that selling the drives on these sites will get you nailed to the wall and fewer people will be doing it, using the same theory that if hosts get sued fewer will do it. these guys are easier to find and attach real evidence to than the hosts that may or may not be doing something wrong because a SC logo was seen on a tv.
if you want to hit 50 hosts, hit their suppliers. or hit one host at a time while the supplier continues selling to more hosts and singers......singers that will not be buying the SC disc because they get if from those same suppliers......and figure at least a dozen singers per host have torrent SC music at home.........50 hosts + 600 singers = 650 discs that will not be bought because of 1 seller or 10 hosts and leave the other 640 people alone. i know which would make more sense to me.

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Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

If that is truly the case, then you will NEVER get rid of the problem, and all your litigation is a waste of time and resources. You are spinning your wheels and just aggravating the KJ community for nothing.

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That's just Harrington whining that when they sue an HD seller, there's no money in it. Their lawsuits are their INCOME and it's much more profitable to sue the KJ's and their venue (especially the venues) for money.

If they sue the HD sellers they will run out of money just suing them... Suing the KJ's is a profit center.

Earthing made a stunning (and I'll bet 100% accurate) prediction: The "cloud" will be the next "settlement option" for SC to use against venues (and KJ's). And Birdofsong also stated that it's probably one of the reasons that SC is "more expensive" than the other brands on the cloud is to recoup/separate/differentiate their profit from the other brands.

That is a ridiculous statement. You can say the same thing about crime or poverty. You can't stop it so you may as well not do anything about it because it is a waste of time and resources.

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YOURS is the ridiculous statement. SC uses litigation as income. The problem with that is they have to spend a ton of money to make any, that way. Going after HD sellers probably isn't that profitable, so yes, it IS a waste of resources. Going after potheads is a waste of taxpayer resources because they aren't violent criminals. When was the last time you heard of someone murdering someone else to get weed money?? Filling up our jails with pot heads is a waste, too. Poverty could be solved if the rich would get off their fat asses and start creating these jobs they are supposedly known for.

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