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If this was directed at me, I hasten to point out that I wasn't the one you were responding to.

I believe that Joe was addressing Earthling.

1) You didn't answerCue's question. Why should a host with very few SC tracks pay $150 for an audit? Assuming that the audit costs more than the tracks he owns, double payment for said tracks is out of line. Of course, as I have previously suggested, if a host is not capitulating to SC's wishes, then the cost of the audit could be added to the suit. Of course, if the host is found in compliance with SC's wishes, then then they don't deserve a suit or financial burden. Oh wait. That would be ....um......fair- wouldn't it? What was I thinking..


2) Spend some time in my neck of the woods, and you would have to grow a whole bunch of fingers. It would look like a centipede on the end of your arm....

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We make exceptions to the fee when the number of discs is very small, so a host with very few SC tracks would not be asked to pay $150 for the audit.



A host who has media-shifted SC tracks without permission is already not in compliance with SC's rules ("wishes"?).

actually it is a requirement to be in compliance. can they get permission before shifting?

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Joe, please don't speak up for me in this manner. I am perfectly capable of restating my questions (which I have done in the past... just like you have done so as well), when I feel that I was ignored.

And, BTW... I did not ask that question. I believe it was BFFL, and, for that matter, Mr. Harrington DID answer him.

Nope, just the opposite. I was speaking about the value of SC's trademark as shown preceding a track. No one else's.

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Maryanne in a heartbeat. She looked even better on an episode of Bonanza.

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Sure I would- I've aged the teensiest little bit myself since then....

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Yup, I screwed up on the attribution. Apologies, Jim.

Earthling, while your post was informative, it really wasn't a direct reply in regard to figuring a monetary value. Also, your original post was on page 2, and your "second post on this page" post was on page 4.

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1) Thank you- that's the first I have heard of any exceptions. One for you....

2) How would you have any evidence of a host shifting without permission prior to an audit? If no audit has been performed, that any suits would be frivolous at best, which most of them are.

Allow me to repeat myself: UNLESS and until an audit has been performed, ALL SC suits are instigated without any evidence of wrongdoing by a host. Great way to screw with customers and build good will.

SC's problems? Think mismanagement, not piracy.

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WOW. Hey, you got it, no problem. Apologies for overstepping myself.

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Yeah, don't you have to break their policy first, by ripping the discs, making yourself guilty, then repenting by bowing down to the great Karaoke Gods of SC??I would like to know an answer to this, myself. I have 38 of their discs. I will NOT pay $5 a disc to shift them, after I paid nearly $25 to buy them. So, in order to audit my stuff they would have to make me an offer I couldn't refuse. At $150 for an audit they could shove my discs where the sun don't shine. That nonsense of auditing one disc for free, EVEN Chartbuster would allow you shift 10 discs without an audit. That shows you what a greedy bunch the SC people are, and how much they crave control over their product. I think Kurt show go to a shrink and have his head examined. I'm sure there is a pill that would fix his compulsions.

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Apology accepted. Also, I am sorry if you felt my post was rude. It was not meant to be. Please view my PM.

The preferred method of accomplishing a media-shift is:

(1) Telephone call, fax, email, or letter to SC saying, "Hey, I'm so-and-so, my contact info is such-and-such, and I just wanted to let you know I am wanting to shift the content of my SC discs to a computer. How do I go about that?"

(2) Receive instructions, which are: (a) keep using your discs while you do the media shift, until the audit process is complete, (b) rip at the highest available bitrate (320kbps), (c) very that each track rips correctly and re-rip if they didn't, and (d) contact us for an audit when you are ready to start using them.

(3) Do the media-shift onto your hard drive, following the instructions.

(4) Contact SC to arrange for the audit.

(5) Fill out the paperwork, pre-suit audit acknowledgement, pay the $150, get audited.

(6) Receive certification and start using the ripped tracks.

Note that I said "preferred." Some variations are possible.

Now, one more benefit of doing the early audit (i.e., not the post-suit audit): If you have material you don't have discs for, you can delete it before the audit and disclose that you have done so, and it will not be held against you. ("I was going through my hard drive and found some SC tracks I don't have discs for. Not sure how they got on there, but I deleted them.") The same is not true for the post-suit audit.




You've really stepped up your attacks on Kurt lately. Are they really necessary? Do you think they make him, and not you, look bad?

I didn't say it was limited to one disc. What I said was that we apply a rule of reason to the process.

REALLY!!!!! Your now telling us how to rip our discs? Even if it is your preferred method one would have to totally insane to verify that each track rips correctly and re-rip if they didn't. Just how long do you think it would take to listen/watch, oh lets just pick smoothedges69's discs at 38 discs 15 songs per disc with an average song of 3 1/2 minutes that's about 34 hours of listening/watching to make sure everything got ripped correctly and this does not include the ripping, renaming, re-ripping if not correct, etc.

Just how many of you out there have listened/watched EVERY rip from beginning to end that you have ever made, before you use it for the very first time?

My guess is ZERO!!!

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First, I'll reiterate:



Second...I gave you what we consider to be the best practices. Yes, it's time-consuming, maybe even tedious. But it is what a professional who cares about the quality of his product would do, in my view. SC recorded and encoded more than 18,000 karaoke tracks over a 20-year-plus period. They didn't skip steps because they was too time-consuming. Even though there may be mistakes here and there, that attention to detail is what puts their overall body of work at the top of the industry. If you are satisfied with having less than that dedication, that's up to you, I guess.

Yep they sure did hmmm 1 disc a month 15 songs total of 50 minutes to watch each month PLUS they got paid for doing their JOB.

So a BRAND NEW KJ if he could acquire all SC's material would have to spend over 1100 hours just watching/listening BEFORE HE COULD EVEN GET AN AUDIT!

Again I ask WHO would do this?

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I mean really, if you don't want to import at 320K it's your decision, but we all know that 320K is the max quality and Jim should have also recommended to use a Lame encoder if you really wanted the best results There's no need to double check each file if they were imported at 320K, and if you really want to, most computers are dual core, so it can import while you're checking your imported files

Now, if you don't want to import them, just play your disk or buy the Gem which is already imported...

Beside point no.5, I really don't see a problem with what you're recommending and I can't imagine anyone would have a problem with that I say point 5 only because I don't know the content of the paper work so I can't agree at this stage To me, this is just common sense...