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2) I own a JFJ EasyPro professional resurfacing machine ( which I recommend to all hosts


Hope you have a place for it in the basement next to the VHS tape rewinder, Reel to Reel tape machine and Disc Preener. :lol:


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I still use mine, especially on the kid's video games and dvd's.

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Bazza wrote:
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2) I own a JFJ EasyPro professional resurfacing machine ( which I recommend to all hosts


Hope you have a place for it in the basement next to the VHS tape rewinder, Reel to Reel tape machine and Disc Preener. :lol:



Gee, Bazza, I thought you owned all of the discs that match up to what is in your PC. Am I mistaken?

Even a PC host will almost definitely run into discs to be ripped that have imperfections- assuming the host cares enough to check the disc before ripping. Of course YOU may not care if you rip defective discs, but most others will.

Also, if for some reason a PC host has to RE-rip their achived discs due to PC problems, there is something else to consider:

Even if kept well, the simple process of aging can cause disc damage. Admittedly this process is VERY slow, ( though faster for burned discs than pressed) but it does happen.

The only KJ for which the JFJ would have no use is the 100% download based KJ. However, as Lon stated, even a download KJ ( another topic entirely) can use it for video game discs, DVDs, and personal discs.

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Now THAT'S funny! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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I own a JFJ EasyPro professional resurfacing machine ( which I recommend to all hosts, especially since it's now about half the price it was when I bought it) to keep my discs in shape. The only time I would need to use a backup is if the original were actually broken or sustained label side damage- which nothing can fix.


I'm not sure how much those machines cost at half-price, but if you live near a Family Video, they have a machine that will buff out scratches, and they will run customer discs for a small fee. When I managed a Family Video location a few years ago, it was $1.99 to resurface a disc. The price may have changed in the past two years.

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Gee, Bazza, I thought you owned all of the discs that match up to what is in your PC. Am I mistaken?

Even a PC host will almost definitely run into discs to be ripped that have imperfections- assuming the host cares enough to check the disc before ripping. Of course YOU may not care if you rip defective discs, but most others will.

Also, if for some reason a PC host has to RE-rip their achived discs due to PC problems, there is something else to consider:

Even if kept well, the simple process of aging can cause disc damage. Admittedly this process is VERY slow, ( though faster for burned discs than pressed) but it does happen.

The only KJ for which the JFJ would have no use is the 100% download based KJ. However, as Lon stated, even a download KJ ( another topic entirely) can use it for video game discs, DVDs, and personal discs.


OK Joe. Enjoy your antiques. These devices are as necessary today as floppy disc drive cleaning discs. :lol:


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I own a JFJ EasyPro professional resurfacing machine ( which I recommend to all hosts, especially since it's now about half the price it was when I bought it) to keep my discs in shape. The only time I would need to use a backup is if the original were actually broken or sustained label side damage- which nothing can fix.


I'm not sure how much those machines cost at half-price, but if you live near a Family Video, they have a machine that will buff out scratches, and they will run customer discs for a small fee. When I managed a Family Video location a few years ago, it was $1.99 to resurface a disc. The price may have changed in the past two years.
I bought mine for $199. It's going for $150 right now.
Unfotunately most of the brick & mortar video stores around here have all but closed up shop. Very few still exist & those that do don't offer that service. Hollywood Video & Blockbuster were the only ones that did - they are all gone around here, succumbed to Redbox & on demand tv.

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Gee, Bazza, I thought you owned all of the discs that match up to what is in your PC. Am I mistaken?

Even a PC host will almost definitely run into discs to be ripped that have imperfections- assuming the host cares enough to check the disc before ripping. Of course YOU may not care if you rip defective discs, but most others will.

Also, if for some reason a PC host has to RE-rip their achived discs due to PC problems, there is something else to consider:

Even if kept well, the simple process of aging can cause disc damage. Admittedly this process is VERY slow, ( though faster for burned discs than pressed) but it does happen.

The only KJ for which the JFJ would have no use is the 100% download based KJ. However, as Lon stated, even a download KJ ( another topic entirely) can use it for video game discs, DVDs, and personal discs.


OK Joe. Enjoy your antiques. These devices are as necessary today as floppy disc drive cleaning discs. :lol:



I noticed the "OK Joe" with no reference to Lon's good things to say about it. If you don't want to use it, that's fine. However, posting "
Hope you have a place for it in the basement next to the VHS tape rewinder, Reel to Reel tape machine and Disc Preener"
sas simply being snotty and added no useful information to the forum.

Hence, "My personal forum troll".

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OK Joe. Enjoy your antiques. These devices are as necessary today as floppy disc drive cleaning discs. :lol:


Not for nothing Bazza, but just because you don't have any use for the tools described (as referenced by Lonnie and Joe C.), doesn't mean they're antiquated and useless to others. It's fine and dandy that you have no need for these things, but don't go belittling others for their wants/needs/desires to use these tools.


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Not for nothing Bazza, but just because you don't have any use for the tools described (as referenced by Lonnie and Joe C.), doesn't mean they're antiquated and useless to others.


True. They are as useful as the other antique articles I described. I am sure there are DJ's somewhere still happily spinning vinyl and using disc preeners. But it's still obsolete.

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simply being snotty and added no useful information to the forum. Hence, "My personal forum troll".


Pro Tip: :lol: <-- That means it was a joke. Sorry you can't see the humor.


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We have a JFJ machine and we run digital. It's true that we don't use it very much, but when we were selling off a bunch of discs, it came in really handy, as well as times when we purchase used discs, we pull it out to resurface if the discs are not in the best condition to rip to digital.

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I noticed the "OK Joe" with no reference to Lon's good things to say about it. If you don't want to use it, that's fine. However, posting "
Hope you have a place for it in the basement next to the VHS tape rewinder, Reel to Reel tape machine and Disc Preener"
sas simply being snotty and added no useful information to the forum.

I still have a Fostex reel to reel multitrack machine too that I still use for recording.

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Not for nothing Bazza, but just because you don't have any use for the tools described (as referenced by Lonnie and Joe C.), doesn't mean they're antiquated and useless to others.


True. They are as useful as the other antique articles I described. I am sure there are DJ's somewhere still happily spinning vinyl and using disc preeners. But it's still obsolete.
I know several dj's that still spin vinyl as a preference over digital - and an art form in itself. There are sources that still sell vinyl and you can get much of anything music wise (even newer) pressed to an album. Fred Meyer stores actually have an lp section again.

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Y'all forget that Bazza is GEM based so he has no need for a disc resurfacing machine. His music already came in mp3 so all he had to do was move it no ripping required and if his discs somehow go bad he can just return them to SC for new ones.

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Bazza wrote:
OK Joe. Enjoy your antiques. These devices are as necessary today as floppy disc drive cleaning discs. :lol:
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Not for nothing Bazza, but just because you don't have any use for the tools described (as referenced by Lonnie and Joe C.), doesn't mean they're antiquated and useless to others.
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True. They are as useful as the other antique articles I described. I am sure there are DJ's somewhere still happily spinning vinyl and using disc preeners. But it's still obsolete.


Pro Tip: :lol: <-- That means it was a joke. Sorry you can't see the humor.


Pro Tip: I understand what the :lol: face means, but when you have posted similar comments in the past (without those little smiley face emoticons), comments which have reflected your opinions about the use of discs and the like, it loses something as a joke, and translates into you insulting others for their choices.


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Since the conclusion states: "The owners of Karaoke CDGs, facilities,MOBILE HOSTING SERVICES and consumers, have invested substantially in the purchase of large libraries of Karaoke CDGs. Allowing them to copy the contents of their CDGs for backup or format-shifting to hard drives would also be a fair use, and is entirely consistent both with the legislation on copying digital media passed to date, and with traditional fair use analysis ruled on by the US courts.

One might consider that your opinion that it was directed toward home users and not KJs would be incorrect, invalidating the rest of your statements.

As for KJ who have used back-up discs being unable to attain dismissals, I know of no KJ who has purchased the original discs ever having to request one in court. If you know of cases of KJs who purchased the original discs running into any difficulty, please share them so that we might do a bit more research.

Still waiting for Harrington to address this!! Still waiting to know who's palms are getting greased to get his motions carried when they, clearly, go against what Joe seems to have dug up. According to this, a shifter is doing NOTHING wrong, whatsoever!! Shifting, even for commercial use is still part of fair use.

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If that is the IPJustice quote, it is just an opinion - not a fact or law. That study was paid for by MTU - hosting software.

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Still waiting for Harrington to address this!! Still waiting to know who's palms are getting greased to get his motions carried when they, clearly, go against what Joe seems to have dug up. According to this, a shifter is doing NOTHING wrong, whatsoever!! Shifting, even for commercial use is still part of fair use.


According to the opinion of someone who runs an anti-copyright organization.

I'm not going to address your "greased palms" statement. It's offensive.

As to the substance of the article, I direct your attention to this paragraph:
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The purpose and character of the proposed use is likely non-commercial. That is, the owner of the Karaoke CDG, whether a professional who performs or hosts public shows or a private individual, is not trying to profit from copying and reselling the CDG. They are either backing up the content of the CDG, or simply moving the content from the CDG format to a Hard Drive format (for example) for ease and efficiency of use. This is exactly the type of copy contemplated for digital music in the AHRA. However, an argument could be made that the use is commercial, since the music contributes to the ability of karaoke DJs and nightclubs to profit. Even if ultimately found to be a primarily commercial use, this factor will not by itself be determinative in finding the overall use an infringement under US copyright law. For example, the US Supreme Court found the 2 Live Crew's use of a Roy Orbison song “Pretty Woman” to be a fair use even though the use was use for commercial purposes.


First of all, Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music was a case that found fair use primarily on the basis of a First Amendment-protected parody, which is not at issue here.

Second, as the author admits, commercial use, while not determinative, weighs against a finding of fair use (bolded section).

Third, the use of the Audio Home Recording Act as a stalking horse for fair use in the commercial context is treading on some pretty thin ice. AHRA is about HOME recording.

Fourth, the author doesn't say anything at all about trademark fair use, which is a completely different animal, with different parameters and conditions.


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If that is the IPJustice quote, it is just an opinion - not a fact or law. That study was paid for by MTU - hosting software.


It's also important to remember that the law is not an accounting system. There are many different opinions, decisions, and influences, as well as infinitely many fact patterns, all of which make predicting how a court will decide a particular question in the future quite difficult. It is possible that there are many "right" answers to a question. The skill of a lawyer as an advocate in court is in three parts: comprehensive knowledge of the law at issue, the construction and use of logical arguments that emphasize the client's position, and the power of persuasion to affect the outcome of an uncertain case.


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