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Smoothedge69 wrote: Lonman wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: Why a yearly renewal?? Our drivers license down here is good for ten years. You don't need to pay every year. That is too much to ask. Our DL are good for 5 years - big deal? Not talking driving. In almost every aspect of all businesses, there are annual licenses that need to be purchased or updated for something - this would be no different  . A smaller yearly fee would go a long way over a larger 5 year fee. But it would still have to be worth it to all manus involved. Whatever. it will never happen, so it doesn't really matter. One day SC will be finished and this will all go away, and so will you cheerleaders, who are CLEARLY the minority. Yep then the pirates get to take over, drive the prices into the ground, pushing all good karaoke out of the limelight - cheapening it up and making it the joke that many already think it has become! Wait that has kind of already happened! _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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Lonman wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: Lonman wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: Why a yearly renewal?? Our drivers license down here is good for ten years. You don't need to pay every year. That is too much to ask. Our DL are good for 5 years - big deal? Not talking driving. In almost every aspect of all businesses, there are annual licenses that need to be purchased or updated for something - this would be no different . A smaller yearly fee would go a long way over a larger 5 year fee. But it would still have to be worth it to all manus involved. Whatever. it will never happen, so it doesn't really matter. One day SC will be finished and this will all go away, and so will you cheerleaders, who are CLEARLY the minority. Yep then the pirates get to take over, drive the prices into the ground, pushing all good karaoke out of the limelight - cheapening it up and making it the joke that many already think it has become! Wait that has kind of already happened! You have big dreams. SC will NEVER litigate away all the piracy. You are a fool to think that will ever happen. You may get a lessening, but new pirates are starting up every day. Enjoys your dreams!! If Kurt thinks he can even make a true dent in piracy, he is suffering from delusions of grandeur.
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Smoothedge69 wrote: HarringtonLaw wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: Our drivers license down here is good for ten years. You don't need to pay every year. That is too much to ask.  . WTF are you laughing at?? Unless you're talking about the marginal transaction cost of having to pay every year, which is nothing really, what difference does it make whether you pay $x for one year or $10x for 10 years? Your driver license has an "annual" cost even if it's valid for 10 years--just take what you pay for 10 years and divide it by 10, and that's your annual cost. You remind me of sprinkler dog. Do a Google image search for "sprinkler dog wharrgarbl" if you don't get the reference.
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Smoothedge69
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HarringtonLaw wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: HarringtonLaw wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: Our drivers license down here is good for ten years. You don't need to pay every year. That is too much to ask. . WTF are you laughing at?? Unless you're talking about the marginal transaction cost of having to pay every year, which is nothing really, what difference does it make whether you pay $x for one year or $10x for 10 years? Your driver license has an "annual" cost even if it's valid for 10 years--just take what you pay for 10 years and divide it by 10, and that's your annual cost. You remind me of sprinkler dog. Do a Google image search for "sprinkler dog wharrgarbl" if you don't get the reference. That would mean that our DL would cost $4.80 a year. Can you beat that with Lonnie's Karaoke license idea??
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Lonman
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Smoothedge69 wrote: Lonman wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: Lonman wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: Why a yearly renewal?? Our drivers license down here is good for ten years. You don't need to pay every year. That is too much to ask. Our DL are good for 5 years - big deal? Not talking driving. In almost every aspect of all businesses, there are annual licenses that need to be purchased or updated for something - this would be no different . A smaller yearly fee would go a long way over a larger 5 year fee. But it would still have to be worth it to all manus involved. Whatever. it will never happen, so it doesn't really matter. One day SC will be finished and this will all go away, and so will you cheerleaders, who are CLEARLY the minority. Yep then the pirates get to take over, drive the prices into the ground, pushing all good karaoke out of the limelight - cheapening it up and making it the joke that many already think it has become! Wait that has kind of already happened! You have big dreams. SC will NEVER litigate away all the piracy. You are a fool to think that will ever happen. You may get a lessening, but new pirates are starting up every day. Enjoys your dreams!! If Kurt thinks he can even make a true dent in piracy, he is suffering from delusions of grandeur. You keep talking about SC, I make no mention of SC but referencing all manus need to come together and do it - which the KIAA was close, they had several manus on board, not exactly sure what happened with them. But since you LOVE bringing up SC in every comment, I don't know if they'll ever go away (pirates that is), however we have a few less around here because of it (SC lawsuits that is). I even had a couple calls because I have a SC certification - had to turn them down and give them numbers of others in the area because I am not ready to start another system up at this time. But plan on it in the new year. _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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drivers licenses....really.....
wait.........Arizona ones are good from the age of 18 to 65......
i'll go for that.
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The Lone Ranger wrote: chrisavis wrote: The Lone Ranger wrote: So you are playing the pass and don't pass line and getting your drinks for free. That works only as long as the casino doesn't catch on to what you are doing. I don't play craps so your comparison is lost on me. But it seems to me you are implying that I am doing something that the "casino" doesn't like and that could result in me getting the boot. There is nothing to catch me on because I am following all the rules. As such, I am free from any negative consequences. I am not getting anything for free either. My investment (time and money) is significant. -Chris You also seem to have no real core interest whether SC wins or loses, you have set yourself to win no matter what happens. Like the large corporations after the Civil War selling war material to the Army, and trading repeating rifles to the Indians. You might be right as far a business, but what about morally? Have a nice day. Haha Are you trying to make me feel guilty? I am PURCHASING discs and using them as prescribed by the manufacturer. I PURCHASED a GEM set from Sound Choice which directly supports the company. I look forward to the day when Sound Choice resumes production at any level (and I firmly believe they will). If they don't resume production and even go completely out of business, then I am in the exact same position as every ODB host out there as well as the much larger group of media-shifted hosts - I own a sizable Sound Choice library that I am still free to use because of my investment in their material. So what moral dilemma am I supposed to be facing here? -Chris
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chrisavis wrote: The Lone Ranger wrote: chrisavis wrote: The Lone Ranger wrote: So you are playing the pass and don't pass line and getting your drinks for free. That works only as long as the casino doesn't catch on to what you are doing. I don't play craps so your comparison is lost on me. But it seems to me you are implying that I am doing something that the "casino" doesn't like and that could result in me getting the boot. There is nothing to catch me on because I am following all the rules. As such, I am free from any negative consequences. I am not getting anything for free either. My investment (time and money) is significant. -Chris You also seem to have no real core interest whether SC wins or loses, you have set yourself to win no matter what happens. Like the large corporations after the Civil War selling war material to the Army, and trading repeating rifles to the Indians. You might be right as far a business, but what about morally? Have a nice day. Haha Are you trying to make me feel guilty? I am PURCHASING discs and using them as prescribed by the manufacturer. I PURCHASED a GEM set from Sound Choice which directly supports the company. I look forward to the day when Sound Choice resumes production at any level (and I firmly believe they will). If they don't resume production and even go completely out of business, then I am in the exact same position as every ODB host out there as well as the much larger group of media-shifted hosts - I own a sizable Sound Choice library that I am still free to use because of my investment in their material. So what moral dilemma am I supposed to be facing here? -Chris You have no morale dilemma because you are approaching the problem from a purely business standpoint. Much like when corporate C.E.O's decide to close down operations in one country and move it to another for purely business reasons. That doesn't change the fact that the workers left behind suffer. Sound Choice is on the ropes and will not resume production any time soon. They have sold off all their production capacity and would have to make major investments to resume production. They are running out of cash and either in 2013 or sometime later will implode. Which in my opinion will be better for the industry as a whole. Then it will be up to the abilities of the host to make it or break it. Maybe if the venues stop running scared they might even take another chance on karaoke. That is if SC hasn't poisoned the well so bad the industry takes a hit it can't recover from. Have a nice day.
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The Lone Ranger wrote: chrisavis wrote: The Lone Ranger wrote: chrisavis wrote: The Lone Ranger wrote: So you are playing the pass and don't pass line and getting your drinks for free. That works only as long as the casino doesn't catch on to what you are doing. I don't play craps so your comparison is lost on me. But it seems to me you are implying that I am doing something that the "casino" doesn't like and that could result in me getting the boot. There is nothing to catch me on because I am following all the rules. As such, I am free from any negative consequences. I am not getting anything for free either. My investment (time and money) is significant. -Chris You also seem to have no real core interest whether SC wins or loses, you have set yourself to win no matter what happens. Like the large corporations after the Civil War selling war material to the Army, and trading repeating rifles to the Indians. You might be right as far a business, but what about morally? Have a nice day. Haha Are you trying to make me feel guilty? I am PURCHASING discs and using them as prescribed by the manufacturer. I PURCHASED a GEM set from Sound Choice which directly supports the company. I look forward to the day when Sound Choice resumes production at any level (and I firmly believe they will). If they don't resume production and even go completely out of business, then I am in the exact same position as every ODB host out there as well as the much larger group of media-shifted hosts - I own a sizable Sound Choice library that I am still free to use because of my investment in their material. So what moral dilemma am I supposed to be facing here? -Chris You have no morale dilemma because you are approaching the problem from a purely business standpoint. Much like when corporate C.E.O's decide to close down operations in one country and move it to another for purely business reasons. That doesn't change the fact that the workers left behind suffer. Sound Choice is on the ropes and will not resume production any time soon. They have sold off all their production capacity and would have to make major investments to resume production. They are running out of cash and either in 2013 or sometime later will implode. Which in my opinion will be better for the industry as a whole. Then it will be up to the abilities of the host to make it or break it. Maybe if the venues stop running scared they might even take another chance on karaoke. That is if SC hasn't poisoned the well so bad the industry takes a hit it can't recover from. Have a nice day. First you question my moral stance, then you make a comparison between what I am doing an questionable corporate tactics. Yet I am not doing anything different than any other karaoke host out there.....including you. So apparently all of us karaoke hosts are of questionable moral character.....including yourself. Excepting of course that I am one of the minority that did buy a GEM set from Sound Choice. Something that actually supports the company and hopefully aids in preventing it's demise. Something you seem to actually be hoping for. Now I ask you.....whose morals should be called into question? -Chris
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Smoothedge69 wrote: HarringtonLaw wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: Our drivers license down here is good for ten years. You don't need to pay every year. That is too much to ask. . WTF are you laughing at?? YOU! 
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chrisavis wrote: The Lone Ranger wrote:
You have no morale dilemma because you are approaching the problem from a purely business standpoint. Much like when corporate C.E.O's decide to close down operations in one country and move it to another for purely business reasons. That doesn't change the fact that the workers left behind suffer. Sound Choice is on the ropes and will not resume production any time soon. They have sold off all their production capacity and would have to make major investments to resume production. They are running out of cash and either in 2013 or sometime later will implode. Which in my opinion will be better for the industry as a whole. Then it will be up to the abilities of the host to make it or break it. Maybe if the venues stop running scared they might even take another chance on karaoke. That is if SC hasn't poisoned the well so bad the industry takes a hit it can't recover from. Have a nice day.
First you question my moral stance, then you make a comparison between what I am doing an questionable corporate tactics. Yet I am not doing anything different than any other karaoke host out there.....including you. So apparently all of us karaoke hosts are of questionable moral character.....including yourself. Excepting of course that I am one of the minority that did buy a GEM set from Sound Choice. Something that actually supports the company and hopefully aids in preventing it's demise. Something you seem to actually be hoping for. Now I ask you.....whose morals should be called into question? -Chris It really is not a question of morality if you have broken everything down to your business model, plan whatever you want to call it. All hosts have to some degree, accepted some form of compromise in order to stay in business. We all have material in our libraries of questionable origins, but since we have paid for them we use them. Some hosts have shifted material without getting permission, which for 98% of the manus is no problem. You have a large investment in your SC product, naturally you side with Kurt and company. I don't and really don't care if they live or die. The thing I have a problem with, is if they are in their death spiral, they should try to take the industry with them. If a person wants to drive their car off a cliff that is their business. If that driver is operating a bus and is taking the passengers with them, that is another matter. No one has the morale high ground they just think they do. Have a nice day Chris.
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Just what does the last 8 pages have to do with a question for Gretchen?
Seems like this post has turned into another do it my way cuz your way sucks.
Let's get back on topic. What happened to the mods regulating what is going on here.
I'd almost bet that Gretchen doesn't even look at this post anymore because of all the CRAP.
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There seems to be a misconception that karaoke pirates erode rates. In my market, they charge the same rates to the bars that the legal hosts do. In a couple of cases, "certified" hosts sit at home with their certificates and GEM series while these pirates are working every night, even while in the middle of legal action from SC. Nothing has changed. One pirate has actually filed a lawsuit against a certified host who he claims took business from him.Now that guy has to spend money to defend himself.
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oh sure....bring Tibet int it now
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rickgood wrote: There seems to be a misconception that karaoke pirates erode rates. In my market, they charge the same rates to the bars that the legal hosts do. In a couple of cases, "certified" hosts sit at home with their certificates and GEM series while these pirates are working every night, even while in the middle of legal action from SC. Nothing has changed. One pirate has actually filed a lawsuit against a certified host who he claims took business from him.Now that guy has to spend money to defend himself.  If this is the case then exactly how is all of this legal process helping SC or the certified hosts?
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The Lone Ranger wrote: rickgood wrote: There seems to be a misconception that karaoke pirates erode rates. In my market, they charge the same rates to the bars that the legal hosts do. In a couple of cases, "certified" hosts sit at home with their certificates and GEM series while these pirates are working every night, even while in the middle of legal action from SC. Nothing has changed. One pirate has actually filed a lawsuit against a certified host who he claims took business from him.Now that guy has to spend money to defend himself. If this is the case then exactly how is all of this legal process helping SC or the certified hosts? it isn't, at least not in AZ. it is actually having quite the opposite effect.
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Paradigm Karaoke wrote: The Lone Ranger wrote: rickgood wrote: There seems to be a misconception that karaoke pirates erode rates. In my market, they charge the same rates to the bars that the legal hosts do. In a couple of cases, "certified" hosts sit at home with their certificates and GEM series while these pirates are working every night, even while in the middle of legal action from SC. Nothing has changed. One pirate has actually filed a lawsuit against a certified host who he claims took business from him.Now that guy has to spend money to defend himself. If this is the case then exactly how is all of this legal process helping SC or the certified hosts? it isn't, at least not in AZ. it is actually having quite the opposite effect. If it is having the opposite effect then why insist on doubling down on a failed policy. Oh I forgot according to James Winnning , he and Charlie Sheen. If you have losing hand I thought you are supposed to throw it in, and get some new cards? Have a nice day.
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rickgood wrote: There seems to be a misconception that karaoke pirates erode rates. In my market, they charge the same rates to the bars that the legal hosts do. In a couple of cases, "certified" hosts sit at home with their certificates and GEM series while these pirates are working every night, even while in the middle of legal action from SC. Nothing has changed. One pirate has actually filed a lawsuit against a certified host who he claims took business from him.Now that guy has to spend money to defend himself. Rick. I noticed you refer to this KJ as a "pirate". Is this from actual 1st hand knowledge of him using tracks he does not own or because he was named in a suit? I'm pretty sure you are referring to a recent case in Raleigh, NC where a KJ has filed a Counterclaim against Slep-Tone and a 3rd Party claim against the "detectives" in his case. His suit alleges several things against the "detectives" & the suit has been answered by their attorney, James Harrington.
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djjeffross wrote: rickgood wrote: There seems to be a misconception that karaoke pirates erode rates. In my market, they charge the same rates to the bars that the legal hosts do. In a couple of cases, "certified" hosts sit at home with their certificates and GEM series while these pirates are working every night, even while in the middle of legal action from SC. Nothing has changed. One pirate has actually filed a lawsuit against a certified host who he claims took business from him.Now that guy has to spend money to defend himself. Rick. I noticed you refer to this KJ as a "pirate". Is this from actual 1st hand knowledge of him using tracks he does not own or because he was named in a suit? I'm pretty sure you are referring to a recent case in Raleigh, NC where a KJ has filed a Counterclaim against Slep-Tone and a 3rd Party claim against the "detectives" in his case. His suit alleges several things against the "detectives" & the suit has been answered by their attorney, James Harrington. This is a popular thing among SC cheerleaders. Anyone that gets named, to them, is automatically a pirate. In many cases, if you don't live the SC life you are a pirate. In other cases, all you have to do is say that you are boycotting Sound Choice and they will think you are a pirate because you HAVE to be if you refuse to use Sound Choice. If you are not interested in the whole piracy thing, it's because you must be a pirate. It's like the old Bush mantra, where,if you aren't with us in our fight against terrorists then you must BE a terrorist.
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