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That is what a contest is about winners and losers, and if you are ok as a host dividing up your patrons, that is your business decision. By the same token you should be prepared if there is any backlash, because you have the contest, to shoulder the responsibility. Evidently you feel the rewards out weigh the risks, that is purely a business decision. You might want to take such a risk if your gig is going well, if it is barely hanging on, then you might want to reconsider. It is a form of gambling you could win big, then you could lose. As long as you can be adult about it and accept the losses, along with the wins, no problem. Have a nice day.

[quote="The Lone Ranger"]8) That is what a contest is about winners and losers, and if you are ok as a host dividing up your patrons, that is your business decision. By the same token you should be prepared if there is any backlash, because you have the contest, to shoulder the responsibility. Evidently you feel the rewards out weigh the risks, that is purely a business decision. You might want to take such a risk if your gig is going well, if it is barely hanging on, then you might want to reconsider. It is a form of gambling you could win big, then you could lose. As long as you can be adult about it and accept the losses, along with the wins, no problem. Have a nice day.[/quote
I lose nothing...I make sure everyone knows this is a talent contest not popularity contest....I also inform singer that if i hear any complaining I will remove them from the contest...EVERYONE THINKS THEY ARE A WiNNER BUT THEY ARE ADVISE THE JUDGES ARE PEOPLE IN THE MUSIC FIELD...AND KNOW ALOT MORE ABOUT MUSIC THEN THEY DO...half of them cant even read music...and dont even know then difference between a whole note and a eighth note....I think alot of KJs worry to much about making someone upset instead of looking at it as a form to improve their singers. I know everyone has a different look on contest I just feel the are more + then -....by the way HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!

And they say singers are the Divas.

It not being a diva..if singers are going to claim to be the best then they need to learn about their craft...correct way of sing...tone color...breath support...focus..placement...and know how to read music...then they might have a reason for getting upset...sheeesh

Some great singers can't read music or play an instrument. Their instrument is their voice and they are incredible. All they need to do is listen to a demo of a song a few times and they can sing it. I'm sure that a lot of contestants on shows like American Idol can't read music. They learn to sing in their cars and in church and then maybe they buy a karaoke machine and practice. Some people are just natural born singers with no other musical ability.

Natural Born singer doesnt not mean correct..sounds good..yes..but when they go to a contest that juding them on quality and they dont make it who to blame..Im not saying there not good singers out there..what i am saying is when you love doing something so much you should at least try to learn more about it....

Some people just do it for the enjoyment of singing and just want to have fun doing so. A contest should be who sounds the best - not the technical aspects which can't be measured in a bar.

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Very good point. Had many singers come through that were naturals and never made a dime singing.

I also didn't do judged contests. I used to do some other contests on Wednesday nights like karaoke tag where people would win drinks but that was about it. The owner talked about doing them from time to time but didn't want to pony up when I told him what it would take for a quality contest.

I've run a successful contests after participating in several large local-regionals; and that disaster national a few times.
I'll back up all those saying "it's not a good idea. True it be a club and "followers" killer and damages spill over to your good name.
There are ways around it, but complicated rules will not help. Keep it SIMPLE structured and Spell-out from the get go. You do not need to be mr clarification/explanation when you've got a contest to be running. It's a lot of work that you will not be remunerated for and unless you can pull off a fair and square contest without semi professional singers sneaking in on an amateur singers contest... best of luck to you
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I disagree. Completely. Singing is much more about the ears than the eyes. Knowing how to sing a note you see on paper does absolutely nothing to project the expression of that note. That's the thing with the vocal instrument that is rarely duplicated with other instruments. Natural born singers have the things it takes to sing well without having to be taught. You need great support to sing well. They have it naturally. You need wonderful tone. They have it and tone is extremely hard to "teach". Are they ready for the final rounds of American idol with little or no practice or training? No. But they can and will do well, and probably can win, your local contest.

Gotta agree with you Mr Boo. Look at Susan Boyle she stepped out on the stage and looked like something you might find in an in a Dickens Novel, but when she opened her mouth the voice that came out was immaculate and she never had any training. Now if she can just get over her stage shyness. I don't think I have ever seen as natural born singer as she.

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^^ Great example all the way around. She's an extreme example and there are many "naturals" not on that level but plenty gifted enough for the local level. A close friend of mine who started as a "fan" of my show has amazing pitch, tone and expression and never practiced a day in his life. I'd give him a good shot in many of the contests I've seen.

And what qualifies these BAND MEMBERS to judge total strangers on Vocal ability such as Tone, Breath Control, Placement, etc...??? The fact that they perform in a local bar for money??????????????????

BTW what is Tone Color???

Make it a kamikaze Karaoke contest. That might even out the playing field for the average singers to compete against the "pros" or the one hit wonders who only show up when there is a contest.

Sorry lonman...no offense ..I have to disagree..i myself have judge contest in bars like this..as well as have had judges do the same..it not that hard if you know what your looking for.

Well Cue brings up a good point, how are band members qualified to judge for the technical aspects. Every band i've ever known or played with don't even have any training, they just play by ear. A judge can tell you they will break down and vote in technicalities, but I am willing to put high dollars on it - they will go by who sounds better.

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Well let us know the ratio of sales for the contest night/nights and weather there is a longer-term tail-off in bar sales AFTER the conclusion of the event.

IE......a study as to whether it was bad/good/neutral in terms of bar sales OVERALL say in the context of 3-6 months AFTER the events due to the contest. You will have to compare BEFORE SALES to AFTER SALES and see if anything changed. And also DURING SALES to see what kind of SALES SPIKE was generated.

After all, thats the point of doing your contest..........to create a momentary sales spike...............but at what possible longer-term results or damages..........let this be a case study!!

So you will have to keep track of bar sales BEFORE the event , DURING the event and AFTER the event to get an ACCURATE picture of effect on SALES of the contest.

Also perhaps take a SURVEY of each singer that comes to your bar as to with before, during and after opinions as to thier view of the contest and weather it was something they were comfortable being around and thier comments.

Lets here the FEEDBACK that SALINA, KS has to say (and the SALES TREND FIGURES)!!

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No offense Lonman again i disagree....I know several band members who have degrees in music two with vocal degree...true not everyone are lucky enough to have people like this ..but i do..and i take full advange of it.

Okay doke!
Still doesn't mean that a judge is going to judge on technicalities over the overall sound and performance.

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Hey Gemini! Is English a second language for you? Just wondering.