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In spite of all the notifications in my area, and trust me, there was a lot of notification being made starting 2 years ago or so, some people are either still unaware, don't care, or can't resist the temptation to try to cut corners.

http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/wan/3626004028.html

-Chris

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-Chris

Hi Chris, I vote for don't care. Unless they have been in a cave without contact with the outside world, how could they not know.

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It's possible if he isn't running karaoke now that he hasn't been in the loop about the lawsuits and what not, unlikely since lawsuits have already been through here but possible. Maybe someone should just shoot him a 'did ya know' email.

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Karaoke software piracy even
http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/sys/3624384431.html

Even if I was inclined to scam I sure wouldn't go to Oak Park with $$ and a laptop, not the kind of area you'd even want to get out of your car at.

unless they are on this forum, how could they know?

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In the Northwest, we have a very widely circulate Karaoke/Darts/Nightlife magazine. Kurt wrote articles for it, other hosts/singers in the area wrote anti-piracy articles for it, *I* wrote articles for it. I accept that it is possible that someone may have never seen them or heard about the lawsuits, but that doesn't preclude someone from knowing that karaoke music isn't free.

-Chris

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-Chris

Maybe never saw the articles..........or OBLIVIOUS........or simply doesn't care. I vote for OBLIVIOUS!! Send this guy an email and let em know you'll forward it on to SC.

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"You know that I sing the Blues and I do not suffer fools. When I'm on that silver mic, it's gonna cut ya, just like a knife"-The SWINGCAT

I see 3-4 of those a week on my local craigslist, and literally have a form letter with the KIAA verbiage about piracy that I shoot out to every one I see.

50% threaten to report me to Craigslist for flagging their ads.

25% tell me straight up that they know and don't care, becuase they will never get caught.

About 25% stop advertising on Craigslist, though I doubt they stop selling their harddrives.

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C Mc
KJ, FL

The part that nobody seems to want to admit to is that many of these people WON'T ever get caught. There is no effort big enough to canvas every venue, every KJ, and every drive seller out there. It's a big country. You would need an ARMY to police the karaoke industry the way some of you would like it to be policed. That will never happen. Not to mention that for ever pirate SC takes down, either through GEM sales, just shutting them down, how many NEW pirates start up?? This fight could go on for DECADES without a major improvement. The ONLY way to get rid of the piracy, or at least lessen it, considerably, is to shut down the outlets for it. That would mean shutting down the IRC and torrent networks. James says that can't be done. Well, if it can't be done, then there is no hope. James will never prosecute every pirate out there. Some of you have stated that you have reported pirates to SC, that are STILL in business, years later. In it's current state, this is a fight that cannot be won. Think about it, have we won the war on drugs?? That is a Federal project. What makes anyone think a few karaoke companies will eradicate piracy in this industry??

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I am the ONLY SANE 1 HERE

This is the same as mp3 piracy but on a smaller scale, as everyone is into music, and a relatively small number into karaoke.
So whatever the music industry did to weather the storm of piracy has to be mirrored by K outfits ,,, But since they are so much smaller and have drastically less clout and finances, it will be an uphill battle for them to even come close. They have to start by making some high profile examples out of some of the worse offenders, they obviously cannot devote resources to casual users who have a few hundred pirated tracks they use in their basement.
Seems to me a craigslist sting would be in order, and maybe busting some larger venues with KJ's with external drives with 100,000 pirated songs. If they can do this, and get publicity, they might be able to keep piracy to a manageable level, obviously it cannot and will not ever be 100% eliminated.

Sound Choice tried this in Las Vegas, the case got dismissed, and they were made a laughing stock. Same thing in California, and the judge there said that SC was just bullying people.

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what the music industry did was what the alive and successful karaoke outfits have done, sell tracks one off on a download basis. it is not that people wont buy a song, people have no problem paying $2.00 for a song they want, but they have a problem paying $20.00 for two or three songs on a full album. the music industry profits are up after they slowed down on CD pressings and increased download availability.
i bet Sunfly, Zoom, Karaoke Version, SBI, Sundown, Easy Karaoke, Mr Entertainer, Protrax, Pocketsongs, etc are seeing increases since going to download just as the rest of the music industry has. i know i have been buying more of these brands since i can get one or two songs that i need at a time.

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I have my core of music and now I have been MOSTLY using Tricerasoft for requests that I get. I like it because I can buy on the fly and I don't need to add 14 useless songs to my collection. I can have a customer's song by their next turn, ready and waiting for them. That I call a good service.

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which is the mentality that the music industry used and how they have been boosting sales. those that would not buy a song because of the others they did not want on a $15.00 disc costing more, will buy that one song for $2.00.

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Haven't heard of or followed these cases at all .. Is the fact that karaoke songs are not original works a factor ?
Are the judges saying, or implying, that "You copy someone elses music, then you complain when someone doesn't pay for it?"
I don't know how it works, but I'm guessing the creators of these tracks have to pay some kind of licensing fee to do them ... Or do they get out of that by putting "in the style of" at the beginning of most tracks ?
I wonder about Weird Al, it would seem likely that since his works are pure and obvious parody he doesn't need to license them.

But if rumors are true, ALL UK companies are going to stop selling to US addresses - one UK manu already HAS stopped selling to US buyers because of the PRS licensing. THEN what is everyone going to do. I buy from UK as well, i'll be in the same boat.

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I don't put to much stock in hear say Lonman, you get a lot of information on these forums that turns out to be nothing but baloney. Like every time the certified hosts come on and say orphan brands are going to become part of the legal process. If you call them on it they stop for awhile and then they start up again. Just like this whole legal process is to generate concern and fear, so SC and if DTE ever gets into the act, generate sales of their respective products. With just two years left until complete retirement from the industry it really matters little to me, I haven't bought any new music in a while. The golden oldies show is still packed, if someone wants to bring in any music of their own I will be glad to play it. Have a blessed day.

WE still have DTE who sells all those UK brands. I am not going to put much stock in rumors, though. If it happens something else will come along. This is 2013. MOST companies are getting with the program and modernizing.

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....and every post you have ever made.

-Chris

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-Chris

this just hit me, if UK brands were not to be imported for re-distribution, isn't that exactly what DTE is doing?

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