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And after all the bad things hosts have said about poor DK. Also you have the added advantage of no one is going to rake you over the coals using the DK product.

I think DK holds its value more for the sentimental value than anything else. I can't tell you how many long term hosts I have spoken to that said "I started out with the original DK set". It also isn't very common to find a contiguous run of discs from any vendor in a KJ's possession. Especially a set of 99 discs in a row. I have tried to get individual DK discs from KJ's before and they insist on selling the entire set or nothing.

Lone.....I haven't been nor do I foresee being raked over the coals by any manufacturer. I simply feel like I should own the music I use. Since I multi-rig, if I choose to make the same DK tracks available across 3 rigs then I need 3 sets of DK discs.

-Chris

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Poor misguided soul. 25 years in radio and you still haven't figured out audio....... Lemme hepya:

Vinyl: greatest range and fullest sound

CD: Less range but cleaner sound

Dolby Tapes: Kind of in the middle: fuller range than CD's, though less than vinyl. Cleaner than vinyl, but not as clean as CD's

WAV. One of the "lossless" files used in PCs- close to CDs.

MP3: Originally used as sampler files to help people decide if the wanted to buy the REAL music. Though considered the bottom of the barrel by audiophiles ( the very least amount of range and a huge amount of lost audio information when compared to original recordings), minimal storage space and ease of transfer has- unfortunately- made this the current media of choice.
The "modern" way to go? I'll pass...

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Actually Joe there is an another way to go. It's alot of work but I guess it might be worth it, the hard drive Juke box downloads the disc on the hard drive without compressing the music that is why it sounds just like the disc the music came from. Just a thought. I think CAVS left a bad taste in everyone's mouth, but the U-best machine seems like a possible bridge between the disc and the PC. I'm not talking a cheap machine they can run 800.00, 900.00 or more, way more expensive than a CAVS player.

And I still challenge anyone (and especially you Joe) to tell the difference between MP3+G (at 320), .WAV, and CD+G in a crowded, loud, karaoke bar.

-Chris

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. Says the guy who refuses to take my test at MY expense at YOUR location on YOUR equipment, PAYING YOU YOUR DAILY RATE with YOUR witnesses to prove you can't hear any difference. Wonder why that is?

BTW. You know who many radio stations (terrestrial, satellite or streaming) are playing CD's or Vinyl today? Take a guess.



This should be fun.



MYTH.

"There is simply no scientific evidence that frequencies beyond the 22 kHz limit of CD audio are audible to any known group of people, or that such frequencies affect anyone's perception of the audible range"
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"Fullest Sound" is a subjective term and unprovable.



"Less range" - See above.

"Cleaner Sound" - is a subjective term and unprovable.



Now you are going off the rails. "DOLBY TAPES"?! I believe you meant Dolby Noise Reduction as it was used on more than just tapes. And which one? A, B or C? HX? Dolby S? I am laughing that you brought up flawed technology from nearly half a century ago (1968).

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WRONG. Both the Red Book standard (CD-A) and the WAV file are PCM. Virtually identical.



This is yet another complete work of fiction from "Joe's World".

Anyone caring to see the actual history of Mr. Frauhoffers codec can read here --> Source Link



You leave out quite a bit.

1 - You speak of "MP3" in the singular. An MP3 file can be an 8khz MONO file or a 320khz Stereo file with all flavors in between. Does a poorly encoded 8khz mono MP3 sound like crap? Absolutely. Does a LAME encoded 320khz stereo MP3 sound fantastic? Yup. You wouldnt say "The automobile is inferior to the horse because it was invented to run on steam". Yet that is exactly the line you take with audio. The MP3's of 1990 are simply not the MP3's of today.

2 - "Lossy". Psycho acoustics are the magic behind MP3's. When frequencies overlap and intersect the human brain cannot distinguish between them. The MP3 encoder discards the portion you couldn't hear anyway. Could a professional hear the difference in an acoustically perfect listening room on ideal equipment? Perhaps. Could a professional race car driver can tell you which tire is 1psi lower than the rest. Perhaps. Does this have anything to do with Karaoke in a bar? Nope.

I find it suspect you make no mention of the dozens of other formats VASTLY superior to CD & Vinyl. AAC? FLAC? Apple Lossless? BWF?

As for your Audiophiles...I went to CES (Consumer Electronics Show) again this year. In the ultra-high end audiophile suites with speakers and amps that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, the VAST majority were using iTunes to demo their wares. I saw exactly ONE turntable in use and this was more for nostalgia. Why do you think the TOP audiophiles in the world would be using (gasp!) COMPUTERS? I await your answer.



Of course you will. Hey! Ever considered doing Karaoke for the Amish?



As do I. My cash offer still stands. And I'll do it in a quiet, empty Karaoke bar!

Not only do radio station (beit local, satellite, or whatever) use mp3 today, they are also still HEAVILY compressed for the airwaves to fit within certain bandwidth.

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My Oh My! When I used to question Joe C's outrageous statements; I used to get warnings from the moderators for picking on the poor lost soul. Back in the day he..... nevermind. I better not.

another thought on MP3,
it is not the file that is in error, but the sound card.
i have XM satellite radio as does my wife in our cars, in my car it sounds just like the CD, can not tell the difference. but in her car the same feed, same track sounds like a phase shifter is activated and the high hats were replaced with sleigh bells. the only difference is our stereos, and in that i mean the DA converter. more than anything it is the DA converter that makes the difference in sound of an MP3. that is one reason why some can hear them and others can not, the sound card they use is not up to snuff.

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how many have charged you an extra fee to use what you already purchased?

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53 certified hosts to be exact

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Actually not true. Any compression (audio or data) is being done downstream of the playout system, not in the files themselves. Most radio stations don't use MP3. They most all use MP2, WAV or BWF. Not necessarily because of sound quality, but because of transcoding issues. This is because in a broadcast operation their can be many transcodes going on and after a few generations you start to get artifacts. If a radio station has a digital console, then a digital STL (Station-Transmitter Link, usually microwave) and then a digital exciter at the transmitter, they have munged the audio three times. There are also editing considerations. You cannot natively edit an MPEG file. When you edit an MPEG file in Protools or Adobe Audition, it is actually converted to linear (WAV) first in the background, you make your edits, and then the program converts it back on save. That's yet another round trip of audio transcoding. If you store your audio in WAV first you can edit natively.

Terrestrial radio has no bandwidth issues, as it is an analog signal. But the audio IS generally compressed. The audio is almost always run through a very sophisticated multi-band compressor limiter (Omnia, Innovonics, Optimod, etc), to make it "jump out" of your radio. It's especially necessary in vehicles which have a lot of background noise. A radio station without audio compression is very quiet on the dial and hard to hear in anything but a quiet room. Think of a classical station or community station low on your dial as compared to a hit music station.

SiriusXM is a different animal as it has a finite bandwidth in which to cram all the channels. If they decide to add a new channel, they must lower the size of the stream on others. They currently use MP2 (more precisely, MPEG1, Layer 2) for audio. Many of their non-music channels (talk, comedy, etc) are very low streams...some well under 64mbps.

Internet streaming is still the wild west. You will hear everything under the sun from very high quality to complete crap.

Karaoke doesnt have any of these issues. There is ONE stream of audio from the playout software to the speakers. We are not editing our audio over and over. There is not ANY transcoding going on, so the reasons broadcast may choose WAV over MP3 is for completely different reasoning. And none except for the odd backwoods station or college are using CD's or Vinyl.

Exactly Zero.

-Chris

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Sound card plays a HUGE part in the reproduction. My dj/fill music computer had a pretty nice Sound Blaster Live card that just went out, I also had a Sound Blaster cheap X-Fi card in it from when I recorded so turned it on as the output, and the X-Fi card makes the music sound like it's playing on a transistor radio - no fullness to it, very tinny & you can literally HEAR the mp3 compression. It sucks.

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All that stuff, but if you read my post you would notice that I didn't disagree with Bazza.

CD+Gs are certainly giving way to MP3s. I was just lamenting that- as in other technologies- quality has been sold out for convenience or price.

Cell phones that could transmit and receive a signal in a desert have been replaced by pure crap with a lot of bells and whistles, along with incredibly inferior components ( sometimes requsted from my distribution company- though I couldn't help them as I only catered to high end Audio, Aerospace, and Medical companies) that do everything but handle a phone call.

Digital cameras- which have certainly come a HUGE way and are pretty good for everyday use- STILL don't measure up to pro film work. Example that comes to mind: Blow-ups. Clear for film, nothing but pixels for digital. However, in this case I believe that this industry is really trying for better quality, and will get there.

Lighting: REALLY? Pure physics- one cannot put out more energy than put in. Point for florescents, though: though lower in lumens output, they CAN be made to produce full spectrum light, and are the undisputed kings or Ultra-violet. Still don't have the warmth of the standard bulb. LED's have a LONG way to go. They can claim what they want, but choosing a color for project under LED lighting is art suicide.

Bathrobes: I don't know what fool came up with "microfiber/polyester) bathrobes. Fuzzy, soft, and even a little warm- if you're DRY. As a BATHrobe? Worthless. They don't absorb water like cotton terry, so they are COLD to put on after a bath, shower, or hot tub.

Subscription TV: I don't know where to start. The original promise was tht since watchers were paying, there would be no commercials...HAHAHAHAHA

In the old days, broadcast TV allowed 6 minutes out of every half hour for ads. NOW? They can put in over half the air time of a show as ads. Example: NCIS. 5 minutes of show followed by 5 minutes of ads.

Remember the Nielson families? These folks got paid to connect a device to their TV to record what they were watching.

NOW? You PAY subscription TV to use a box that does the same so they can make money selling info to advertisers at your cost so they can squeeze in even more ads during a show that you are trying to enjoy..

BTW- Anyone here old enough to remember customer service?

...and they ask what my problem is.....

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That's why I love Turner Classic Movies Joe, just classic movies with no ads, AMC started out that way years ago and then changed, now it is junk t.v. like all the rest. I know I'm really sounding old and grumpy next thing I be doing is saying and I use to get a candy bar this big for a nickel. Have a blessed day.

FYI: Nielson and "Nielson Families" still exist, in fact Nielson is doing very well. They just bought Arbitron (the radio ratings company) for 1.3 billion. The Nielson "Homescan" program is pretty cool. They give the family a special barcode scanner and the family scans everything they buy so they can track grocery & product trends, internet purchases, etc.

Digital cameras? I see more professionals using digital cameras now than film these days. I know severl pro wedding photographers & 3 major portrait studios using digital. Not because it's easy, because they can do much more with it.

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We just ran into a woman that has 4 sets of the original dk's and wants to sell them to us.
We could not bare low balling her on them even though she was really desperate for money.
She needed to get money quick to find storage for her gear so we decided to offer her free storage until she gets on her feet. And if the need arises to snag her libraries, at least we know where to go and all that free storage would make giving her a low offer feel better as we do not believe she realizes yet that her library is not worth $2,000 each! as she still lives in the 1990's on value of product.


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