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so why don't you hire karaoke hosts in area's to be your investigators. i would gladly find pirates in my area (central idaho, and southeastern washington state.)

and i'm sure other hosts would help your cause also.

hell i would even do it for free in my local area, just to get the ball rolling!
lewiston idaho

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Because he has to use professional, licenced private investigators. One cannot just conduct investigations willy nilly. Watching shows about police and PIs does not make one an investigator. There are legal ramifications including what can legally be done, along with a thousand other things. Now to cut off the next question, well if he or she is licenced, why do they have to be trained for this endeavour. Simple, because it is a specialty. Do you think police officers are trained in everything at an academy? Even a seasoned investigator who is say in robbery, if transferred to homicide has to be trained in homicide and vice versa an officer going from homicide to vice has to be trained in vice. It's all different.

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Not always. Most states allow attorneys to hire unlicensed investigators to work under their direct supervision on litigation matters in which the attorney is or expects to be counsel. We do hire KJs for that purpose sometimes.

Of course these KJ's your hire for investigative purposes have no conflict of interest, to get rid of the competition do they? I can see a definite conflict of interest here, and the investigating KJ would have to be exceptional not to let his interests subvert justice. I hope if you do use KJ's you don't let them do their work in their own market area. I see just too much of a possible abuse of the legal system in all of this. Have a blessed day.

There. I fixed it for you.

Whoa Bazza, The Lone Ranger does make a valid point! KJs "investigating" their competition does represent a huge conflict of interest. The whole concept of hiring KJs for that purpose seems unethical at the least.

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Not to mention if the other host is illegal or not, the reputation a kj would get once people (singers/bars/other kj's) started finding out that you become a known rat. I'll pass on investigating other shows.

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We have appropriate safeguards in place to prevent conflicts of interest from arising.

For example, we never rely on an investigator's word alone when bringing a suit.

I do not view having an operator serve as an investigator in an area as an irresolvable conflict of interest. Operators often have the best working knowledge of an area, of where shows are, where the pirates are operating, and a lot of other facts we try to gather before proceeding with a suit. We spend a lot of time training them to look for what we are looking for and how to document it. They are required to declare that the facts they submit to us are true under penalty of perjury. Often, these operators are among the few non-pirates operating in a given area, which gives them a leg up in the integrity department.

i am not investigating anyone and the bars thought i was the rat becuase i had the SC Cert in my promo kit. i think you are really dead on here Lon.



except when it is Kurt....we all know that case where nothing but Kurt saying "I saw the SC logo on the TV" was given.



so what happened to the investigators in AZ that "saw" Michael Michael running two different shows at the same time?
What happened to the investigator that "saw" a host in Red Onion running a show that they never had?
what happened to the investigator that "saw" John Pavkovich move his equipment to a bar that competes with his wife’s bar to run shows?

have the "investigators" had any consequences?

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The incident to which you refer--all of which was in one case--was the result of a careless error by the filing attorney. The complaint had some errors in it. The underlying investigations did not contain those errors.

Of course, the attorneys and those investigators no longer work for SC as it is.

Are those the same attorneys and investigators you are now suing for ripping off SC?

You might think you have appropriate safeguards in place, there is an old saying "Love laughs at locksmiths". True your investigators would be going after the bad guys, however, it would be up to them to determine initially who is suspect. Even that determination carries with it a lot of power, and should not be taken lightly. According to you James what you are looking for is the logo displayed and the operator using a PC. If the operator happens to not be on your little certified lists, he is at least guilty of infringement without permission. A big bozo no no. Then the host or venue has to pay for an audit, or settle with you, or risk a trial. Then you wonder why many hosts and venues have dropped your product. To me it makes perfect business sense to do so, since there is tons of product out here, that doesn't carry the stigma of a legal process. One that to me potentially has the look of being a conflict of interest, on the part of local hosts. Have a blessed day.

I have just now retired, I have the legal hard drive for you. it has approx 15,000 songs ( some are dupes) complete with discs, most all major labels..$5000.00 free shipping..

Same investigator. Different attorneys, but they weren't fired. They quit.

The only problems we've had with investigators have been with PIs. The people who work in karaoke do a far better job for less money.

Oh yes I forgot your first duty is to save your client money, isn't it?

And of course trying to save your client some money is such a big crime. The well seems pretty dry when you try to pull this type of garbage out.

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It isn't, but even if it were, so what?

My first duty is to the integrity of the legal process, not to my client.

Nothing i'm interested in.

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Went to another local show this last weekend. KJ claimed he had 300,000 songs. I sang a couple and got his number and asked him how a person goes about getting that many songs. He told me for a $1,000.00 he would hook me up. I of course passed but I don't see a future in this any longer for me. With the rural areas I live in it's all about quanity. I understand I need to educate and talk to bar owners but it's just not worth it anymore. These pirates are doing it so cheap I can't compete. It was a fun ride while it lasted.....

Just tell everyone you have 300,001 songs. Trust me. Nobody is counting. Really.