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I AM a KJ, and I don't want to have to buy thousands of fluff songs. I would rather just buy what is requested, when it is requested. Unfortunately, there are those companies out there that do not want to do business like that. That may prove to be a loss to them.

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I am the ONLY SANE 1 HERE

"Coerced". .

"Now listen hear my friend. You WILL buy ALL these songs. It would be a shame if something was to happen to your fine establishment in the middle of the night......"

The CD+G mafia can be so dangerous.

" Ve haf vays uf mekking you buy zee floof..."...


Yeah, even I have to agree that "coerced" may be a tad harsh. When one buys a disc, one buys the whole disc, and before that the whole tape or record..

On the other hand, I'm kind of backward on the fluff issue anyway. While I sure don't want 12 out of 15 fluffs per disc, I don't mind some because sometimes fluff turns out to be ofen used tracks that I never would have though to buy separately.

SC - the Spotlight series- (The Star and Power Pick series have a better percentage of keepers) and Stellar have more than most, as do many "single artist" discs. Chartbuster, Pocket Songs, Party Tyme and compilation company discs have a lot less, but there will always be some...

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

Every kj should still have a good solid quality 'core'. What you THINK is fluff, may be just what that new person to your show is looking for.

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Lon, you silver-tongued devil. I have to admit that you can sometimes say things more simply and clearly than I.

Full agreement. It's only fluff if no one sings it.

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

Good. I suppose the chip-based system might have had some partial success, but getting everyone to use it would be a beyotch.

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[color=#ffff55]Mickey J.[/color]
Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

And if that is the case, I will order it as I need it. Simple as that. My people know that if I don't have something they want I will try to get it by their next turn. I even have done it at my buddy's show. I have some stuff that he doesn't. I bring my little netbook to his show because it has my newer songs on it. Well he'll ask me if I have such and such song. If I don't I buy it, and his customer is happy.

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And once again; I don't do any shows so what I consider to be fluff, is fluff as far as I'm concerned. It serves no purpose to me. It's as if I needed ONE NEW tire because I had a blowout and the good people at Good Year told me that they only sell tires in sets of FOUR. If I was stuck out in the middle of nowhere and that was the only tire store for miles; I would be coerced into buying 4 tires so I could be on my way.

If the average disc has 15 songs and only 2 of them are songs that I would sing; then roughly 87% of the songs on that disc are fluff to me. Basically I'm only getting 13 cents on my purchasing dollar.

And I know that every karaoke manufacturer had the same policy in the beginning, but that doesn't make it right. Sound Choice isn't the only brand of Karaoke discs that the pirates go after. They go after them all.

If you aren't a KJ, maybe you shouldn't critique KJ's for something they do that doesn't pertain to you.

-Chris

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-Chris

I have purchased digital content that is logged with my ID.

If this content were to show up on the torrents, my ID would allow them to seek me out.

If one company can do this, why not others?

I think digital watermarking is only a stop-gap measure. Like any form of encryption or tagging, someone will figure out how to circumvent it.

Case in point, many online MMO games that require you to be connected to a server to play (World of Warcraft as an example) digitally watermark screen shots. This helps them identify players that are playing on private servers which are a violation of the TOS/EULA. It also helps identify people that use hacks in game play. People figured out how to mask the information within weeks of the watermarking getting leaked out.

-Chris

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-Chris

...There's ways around it but it would take an uprising of a New Organization that would be completely independent of the Karaoke Manufacturers and KJs. Which could provide a check and balances on everyone (Manufacturers, KJs and Commercial Venues). Obviously it would require Membership Fees (Venues and KJs ....$200.00-$300.00 per year) and a Certification process (initial and of course updates when new music would be acquired and added to a KJ's Library) and an Official Web Site where Everyone could see the Certified Venues and KJs (their approved libraries and locations where they're performing at).

...Perhaps some laws might have to be tweaked or changed but I do believe it's possible. I know others have tried this in the past. I, also know that some KJs despise audits but you have to ask yourself, "Why?" Answers might vary but I believe I know why some don't care for any kind of audit. And yes, the question looms at what to do about these Karaoke Companies that are out of Business (due to lawsuits, non-licensed music, piracy, slow sales, etc.). But I still do believe there's ways around it. Especially with today's technology!

...Some here have touched on the subject but it usually falls to the way side. I think it's a very interesting subject and it ever performed correctly it would put a lot more money in everyone's pocket!

I am with you 1000% on this. It needs to be something like a BMI but for karaoke. I would not have had a problem at all with that. What many have a problem with is the current Gomer "Citizen's Arrast" tactics. The entity would aslo need an accredited auditing division where the result is either certified or not versus an evidence gathering mission at the KJ's expense. Of course out and out pirates need to be tracked down and strung up the right way..

...Mr Boo, I read your post from a few months back and was amazed at how similar our thoughts were on this subject! I've also read the thoughts of others. It's ashame that it'll probably never happen.

I have said this for years. But ALL the manus would have to be on board. KJ pays a yearly fee - regardless of disc based, computer or whatever. But the problem still lies in the 'proof' of having paid for the music or own the original discs.

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Well, I wasn't going to say it was my idea because it probably has been stated in almost the say way many many times. It's really just common sense to me... Who, that attempts to do the right things, wouldn't be 100% for something like this as long as it was done the right way? My next question is what law states that BMI can mandate a public place pay fees to cover music played? I assume it is strictly copyrights for the writers. What needs to happen is, the copyrights for karaoke need to be better defined in law so a division can assume the responsibility like a karaoke BMI. Or at least that's what my layman's head tells me. The current laws just don't cover karaoke that I know of and I think it's time it should. People keep trying to apply regular music laws to it and I just don't think that fits.

I think it should be manu independent. Manus would need to be paying members to get their part of fines... But as we are saying, this is a very common idea..

...I agree but I may be a little confused with you saying "But the problem still lies in the 'proof' of having paid for the music or own the original discs.".... Because a KJ would either have the Manufacturers Original (CDG, MP3+G Disc, "Chartbuster Hard Drive and SD Card") or not, right? The only exception would be "Legal" Download Purchases, correct? But the KJ should be able to produce a copy of the receipt. Even if the KJ has no record of the transaction, The "Legal Site" that sold the "Legal Download" should still have it on file, correct?

Sort of, what I was getting at is the problem would be that many kj's still wouldn't want to show what they have to any entity covering all manus (like BMI or ASCAP covers artists).

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I believe that there is a separate section of this Forum that is for KJs only. This thread is not part of that section. Like most tyrants, Sound Choice and it's Pom Pom Squad would love to silence the opposition so nobody would be out there to point the finger at the mighty Wizard behind the curtain. You don't like WHAT I have to say and rather than dispute it, you want to take away my right to even speak it. It is my opinion that Sound Choice over charged for it's products for years and the chickens have come home to roost and they have more than gotten even.