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Yes, Lon is 100% correct- I agree.

However, SC limited their liability after the fact in regard to the SC8125 discs already distributed, never at the time of sale. Liability limitation, not licensing. The SC8125 discs were not licensed at the time of sale.

Just because you want something to be true doesn't make it so, Jim.

Regardless of the past situation, one could conclude that a manufacturer's assumption that the permissions are going to occur post production AND post-sale indicate a level of arrogance most would not be comfortable with.

........... When they were denied for the graphics on the Eagles disc, they had to pay up for what they had sold & pull the rest in the pipeline - which makes any 8125 disc put out fully licensed for kj's to use just as any other, they were just not allowed to sell anymore once they got the denial.

I have always believed, and have talked with the PRO houses, that if the club is paying their fees, then all is well for what is played.

No argument from me. If we all didn't work on that assumption, we couldn't run our shows..

...Ok, well let me throw the following at ya
...Nothing personal here but just wanted to try to go back to Chris's original post here, for a few minutes, with this response. I know most of his scenarios were in reference to Manufacturers' Originals and the use of Backups in Commercial Settings.

...For anyone who doesn't know (most here do), Stellar Records (part of Pop Hits and some other represented Karaoke Brands) offered a CAP Program, starting a couple years back, to any KJ that had acquired any of their music illegally on a hard drive (knowingly, unknowingly or even scammed by a seller). I don't know how many KJs took advantage of the program but Chris did and has written about his experiences, here at this forum and at some other places on the net. To the best of my knowledge, he is in the clear and in good standing with Stellar. I do applaud his efforts to operate his business legally and his support to the Industry as a whole. Never the less, here is the link to some of his experiences with Stellar:
http://afairrotation.wordpress.com/2011 ... p-program/

...Personally I don't know what Stellar requires from someone who wants or wanted to purchase a CAP Program. Do they require the owner to provide a list of the tracks on that drive? Do they require a picture/s of that drive along with Make, Model and Serial Number? Do they send you a special sticker for that drive? If running multiple systems, can you break up the Stellar tracks from that drive and dedicate them to multiple drives? Finally, when you no longer want that CAP Approved Stellar Drive, can you resale that drive legally like an Approved Chartbuster Hard Drive or SD Card ?

...I'm guessing he is allowed to make a backup of that drive, such as we do with CDGs in order to run a show off of a laptop. Chris has also stated that he runs more than one system and I believe he has stated that not all systems have the same music on them (the hard drives). I'm guessing that he has only one CAP Approved Stellar Drive? So I'm assuming that he's elected to copy that music over to another drive, a drive that also contains other Karaoke Music that he uses in one of his shows. Now with that in mind, what would happen if one day, from out of the blue, he grabbed that ole CAP Approved Stellar Drive (remember, this is his Original), plugged it into his laptop and found out the hard drive was dead?

...Would he:
#1) Have the right to play off of a Backup Drive when his Original (CAP Approved Stellar Drive) has been Rendered Unplayable? ....or
#2) Have to delete all of his Stellar Music from any and all backup drives? .....or
#3) Have to go out and purchase as many Stellar CDGs to match his drive and delete the rest? ....or
#4) Call up Stellar and ask about a replacement program? Keep in mind, there's a chance that many of the tracks on that dead drive might not be available anymore through Stellar or any other outlet....or
#5) Find some illegal hard drive seller, buy an illegal hard drive that contains those Stellar Tracks and move on?

...Was just curious, that's why I ask.

PHM CAP program if I understand correctly is for those that bought a hard drive (either knowingly or got duped into thinking it was legit), can certify their PHM songs without the original discs by paying PHM $3500 per system. This covers the entire PHM library (including some other brands that they acquired) up to 2007.

CAP info here -

http://www.stellarrecords.com/cap_info.html

In short, a CAP is designed to allow someone to legitimize a library that may have been acquired without original discs or contains material from illegitimate sources. ie; a loaded hard drive.

-Chris

...Guess the link and the price were the only things I left out? However, since you started the Originals vs. Backups thread and posted some legality questions, I had some questions about what a person is allowed to do with CAP Approved Drive (besides use it), in the event the drive was rendered unplayable or you might want to resale it. Just thought you might be able to answer those questions. No biggie, if I want those questions answered I can always call Tony at PHM but since I don't have one, it's not really any of my concern. Thanks anyway!