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I heard they were merely inter-planetary whore houses, with different kinds of earth animals, as the sexual vehichles...............that explains where we came from, and the many variations of the human species......

There you go again inventing things and making broad, baseless claims. How exactly would you know the majority opinion of ANYTHING here?

I can play this game! The majority of the folks here have the perception that someone needs to take a statistics class.

Right, because they're competing against "free"--i.e., pirated copies. Without an effort to make piracy "not free," "free" wins out.

That's a feature, not a bug.

No one with any sense disputes the quality.



The "fear" you are referring to is "fear of getting caught with pirated material and having my financial world crumble to dust" and there is not one thing wrong with it.

There is also the fear James that a host or venue will be unjustly accused of doing something naughty in your legal opinion, and have their business legally attacked and raided by you and Kurt and company. Having your financial world crumble to dust, I thought it was Kurt's company? Oh that's right if he crumbles to dust, then your big lawyer fees go out the window as well, but look at all the time you will have, when you no longer have to spend 80 hours a week looking after SC. See there is a upside to everything. I hope you make everyone in the industry good and scared James. Maybe they would be so scared they would drop your toxic label and move on to other products. Then you wouldn't be able to pull your Harold Hill routine, " We got trouble in River City". What we need is a boy's band, I mean certified hosts, and we will sell all our junk to these select few. Have a legal day.

That's why EVERYONE is provided the opportunity to demonstrate, contrary to the evidence we have, that their operation is not "doing something naughty." So there is no need to fear being "unjustly accused" of anything.

I thought I just explained that it doesn't matter. Say we only had 50, or even 25 active members on the whole forum. Those using GEMS purely by choice would STILL be in the tiny minority, and those not interested would be in the majority- very clearly defined.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Timberlea, as posted elswhere, you would really do better to post informationally, rather than just flaming. It would be much more positive for the forum.

That being said, I assume that you didn't bother to look at the numbers taken directly from the SC site, so here they are once again:

"What is on the website does not reflect how many people use the set- not because of quality or even song needs- but rather as a pre-emptive defense against SC's actions. I say that because of the following:

The site shows 113 sets out there. It also shows states shown the most SC "attention" seem to have the most users. For instance, out of the 113 sets, California shows 24, Florida 25, North Carolina 9.

That means 51% of total "sales" are concentrated in the 3 states most bothered by SC.

Less hit states like Connecticut (2), NY ( 1 ), NJ (4- one's a double listing) seem to have very few sales. Now, consider the population density of NY, NJ, & CT- offering HUGE sales opportunities. Where are the sales?

Now add the GEM deals made through "settlements" on top of that, and we see how the majority have been spread out there."

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Then I guess SC is taking a bite out of piracy in those states by bothering them.

purchasing Gem by choice in the next month

That is a real shame. Kurt doesn't deserve your money.

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1) Actually people are TOLD they must demonstrate, not "provided an opportunity"

2) This statement really does not bear repeating, as unjust accusations have been made repeatedly, and documented. Best to let that one fade away....

As for competing against "free" (stolen) music, both SC and all the current mfrs. certainly have an uphill climb. The thing is, other CURRENT music producers seem to do so with much more success than SC. There has to be a reason.

The thing is, it hits me as screwy. I have always said SC used to have some of the best marketing in the industry. They built a helluva brand, and were even able to convince some KJs that they simply had to have SC. That takes incredible marketing skill!

What the heck happened???

What is going on now is almost a text on what NOT to do when hoping to market a product. P-off any possible customer base, annoy the very venues where you wish the product to be used (as well as gain more exposure), legal actions that make the label a pariah ( especially to venues) high visibility legal mistakes, a sales plan that actually limits your market, etc., etc. etc.....

I hope you understand that I am not trying to be snotty here. It's just the business side of it. What I see above is the number one main reason why I have trouble believing SC really wants to get back into new karaoke production, at least on a full time basis.

Not bad feelings, or accounting, or any ick at all- The above just makes it look like they don't care anymore.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Doesn't look that way, per the folks I know. Lots of pirates, and no discernable bite. How many times have they been through Florida? I'm surprised that real piracy ( track theft, not media shifting) hasn't been eradicated there... Oh, wait- they aren't going after pirates, just PC users who may- or may not- have media shifted their trademark.

However, sales through intimidation is sure looking good.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

From the OP:

"I would like to know how many folks on this forum are GEM users that have never had any legal ( or other) problems with SC. No letters, no suits, no "settlements", no questions at all in regard to SC's "1:1" wishes"

I may be mistaken, but I am under the impression that you don't fit the description above.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Still can't count it as accurate. People aren't necessarily chime in to answer a question for whatever reason. This board has a lot of 'active forum user' SC haters - of course the poll is going to skew that way.

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Any issues my company had with SC ended over 2 years ago when we passed 2 audits. My decision to purchase a GEM series is based on A. Quality B. price and C. The best fit for updating our 3rd system.

So I am a Gem purchaser by choice.

If all goes well i'll be buying mine around June. I have to compete with my show now - which is primarily SC, I cannot cut corners and buy crap for a core library - and not going to rely on internet connections to constantly download every song.

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The decision to purchase the Gem was based on enhancing our 3rd system to bring it up to par with our first 2. We are booking the second system solid and the third starting to be required. The SC discs in system 3 will be moved to system 4 transforming it from a "home party" library to a fully usable venue system

First, I hope you don't count me among who you believe might be "SC Haters", because I don't "hate" them, or anyone else here on the forum- and I'm not even sure anyone does.

I stipulate that the poll can be inaccurate, but only because all polls are inherently so.

If this were "The GEM Users Forum", then a lack of non-users would skew it the other way.

However, the point was made- and you have agreed-that there are so few GEM users here. If it's such a great deal - even without SC scaring anyone- why is that??

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" Disc based and loving it..."

I understand that, but I included those qualifications for a reason, and you don't fit them.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

There are so few simply because IMO, those SC haters (not necessarily SC but their mehtods) refuse to put another dime into supporting them. That's a fact. Which is automatically going to pull GEM ownership down since all of these people would never buy it. So again I don't know how many GEM users there are to call them few or many, from those that chimed in it's a handful compared to those who don't like SC.
Even on SC site, GEM users do not have to be listed on that site if they wish not to be. So the numbers for GEM users could be much higher than anyone knows for sure. It's speculation on anyones part and nothing more.

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