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Another guide regarding certain disc popping up on the market. Of course there is more information we could of written, yet hopefully it helped a bit.

What really gets us is there is another anti piracy site that advertises these disc and we are dumbfounded that they would. Please forgive us up front in the event that we are rehashing something already talked about. We have much to learn when navigating on this site



http://reviews.ebay.com/Singers-Solutio ... 0176946267


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Kudos to you, madproaudio. I applaud your efforts & initiative to bring more awareness for the betterment of our trade. Please continue ‘penning’ down your thoughts, I enjoy reading ‘em. ‘Bravo Zulu’ for a job well-done.

Side note: as an ex-military, thank you for your dedication, sacrifice & service to our country. (from an ex-military, 22yr service, retired)

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I remember how, back in the day, everyone who had a SC8125 would brag about the fact that they had the disc; knowing full well, that Sound Choice made the disc without getting all of the permissions that they were supposed to get to produce the disc. Everyone who had one thought that they had obtained some sort of Holy Grail.

What is the difference between what Sound Choice did back then and what Singers Solution is being accused of in this thread? If no one seems to care about the legality of the SC8125; why does anyone care about the legality of any other karaoke disc being made and sold?

I think most people like to turn a blind eye to things like this when all they really care about is getting new songs for their shows and they don't care about the legal ramifications of the discs. I think they believe that is between the manufacturer's and the rights holders.

Or is it just more of...it's illegal if anyone other than Sound Choice does it?

I would disagree with SGB having been a real bonafide company though, much of their library were All Hits re-branded - then later to Idol Makers (with new logos & colors). During that time there was also MegaHits, UKKaraoke, and a couple others all rebranded to All Hits at a later date. But having all of those original issue discs - not ONE have any kind of contact info, as a matter of fact the All Hits discs mock the publishers by stating "Not for public performance, UNLESS played at FULL volume".

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For starters, SC was a real company, not someone garage project. 2nd - they did take care of all licensing for what was sold on 8125, so whatever is out there is fine for kj's. Seriously doubt, i'd put money on it, that Singers Solution has ever once paid anything and have no intentions on it either. No contact info, makes it hard for publishers to track down.

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but I also had read somewhere that Music Maestro went out of business because the lawyers had finally caught up with them as well for not licensing their tracks properly. I'm sure that companies like All Hits, SGB, Monster Hits weren't the only ones that were cutting corners back in karaoke's infancy. Even Sound Choice did it. Top Hits tried to get people to think that they were the same company as Pop Hits to try to steal business from them. I guess if you sell enough of something; it makes you look legitimate because you are on every karaoke web site out there. I'm sure at some point, everyone thought that the BACKSTAGE EAGLE's disc was a great deal for 5 bucks. They sure sold a boat load of them. I used to see songs get sung from that disc all of the time.

That is in part because the 8125 had already been recalled. Backstage (another shady company - again try to find where they are located) put their disc out - anyone that wanted Eagles music HAD to go to that disc, there were no other options at the time. Also when Backstage first came out, they were priced between $20-30 depending on the stores. Now there are several other options that blow the BS (aptly named btw) disc away - Zoom, Legends, SBI.

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So if you really had to have some Eagles music,
it was okay to buy and use a disc in your show
that you were pretty sure wasn't a legally
produced disc....and NOBODY cared. That's my point.
NOBODY gave a crap back then about legal or illegal
discs. KJs only cared about getting good songs.
KJs didn't care how many karaoke companies were doing it
"the right way". They bought discs from anyone and
everyone. All of a sudden, now that every karaoke
pirate can get the songs that they want without
doing things "the right way", people are all up in arms
about it not being "right". Kind of hypocritical if you ask me.
If some karaoke company is ripping off Don Henley,
everyone seems to be cheering for the underdog. When the
proverbial shoe is on the other foot, Sound Choice cries FOUL! Folks with dirty hands shouldn't complain about the muddy waters.

Sound Choice only straightened out their licensing issues with SC8125 after they were caught. It certainly doesn't mean they were right in their methodology. When the pirates get caught, they buy a GEM series and Sound Choice leaves them alone.

Actually, Backstage and Sound Choice came out with the Eagles Disc at about the same time. I remember when I bought the Backstage disc. I had the SC disc in one hand, and the BS disc in the other hand. There was a difference of 3 songs between both discs. SC was selling for $30, and BS was selling for $15. I pretended that my hands were an imaginary scale, and the one that weighed less won ($15 for BS). It was several months later that SC got pulled from the shelves, and BS was your only choice (back in 1996).

What does this mean?

A). Red Flag 1: Where have you EVER seen lyrics printed on a disc like that where they are even on the inside ring.

"When the pirates get caught, they buy a GEM series and Sound Choice leaves them alone."

what makes you believe that statement is true BF4L ?

The one pirate in our area I am aware of that bought a GEM series has not been left alone. He states he has had investigations at least twice since he got the Gem (I guess SC may be getting reports that he may not be following the 1-1 requirement).
Others who settled without buying the GEM (agreeing to pay and agreeing to leave the business) have been followed up on and taken back to court.

I think the assumption that Sound Choice leaves them alone is flawed.

[quote="Lonman"]I would disagree with SGB having been a real bonafide company though.

Great to mention that because it adds to our thoughts. We agree with you, but also know that when we think of the market before it really got crazy, SGB was a reconized brand until 2003 as per the trademark page. So to that extent, they were a real company.

We also understand what the other gentlman was mentioning regarding an unlicensed disc. And we too believe that sometimes you may be able to apply the rule of never throwing a stone at a glass house when yours has windows too. Yet you can also look at it like this too. The Soundchoice house has a complete foundation, all the bricks, a roof, and some windows of course and any one of us could easily throw a brick through one of their windows. But the others such as Singers Solutions are clearly a complete Glass house at this point. Huge difference when you look at it in this light.

We have had in depth conversations with an investigation team that has done over 20yrs. of Counterfeiting bust in our city and they even said that it is very complicated. that there is a difference between companies like soundchoice that are found to not have all their disc licensed (Yet have complied in most cases and have respected working with the publishers as much as they could) and between the others that simply are pressing disc and pay for nothing more than the plastic they put it on.

Once again, this takes nothing away from those that dislike some of the manufacturers tactics. We are neither a cheerleader nor the football player. Just a concerned parent on the sidelines hoping their child does not get hurt. (Sorry, I write abstract books and I understand that my anologies or humor may not always come across properly)

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Since you like analogies, let me try one? Is it okay to kick a puppy every now and then?...as long as you don't do it all of the time?

You're guiltier than I am so my guilt doesn't count? Amazing how people are so willing to look the other way when Sound Choice breaks the rules.

Hey! You stole my stolen car from my garage! Hmmm I'm calling the Pol....nevermind!

Guilty is like being pregnant. you either are or you aren't. Let he who is COMPLETELY without sin cast the first stone.

What does this mean?

A). Red Flag 1: Where have you EVER seen lyrics printed on a disc like that where they are even on the inside ring.
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Sorry, we should of been more clear regarding that. We looked at the Singers Solutions disc and the Titles written on the face of the disc go clear into the inner ring. Sorry for any confusion.

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Accept our apologies up front. We are not looking to engage in any type of aggressive debates with anyone. We try to talk about both sides of the coin and your analogies also are right on as well. Just a difference in how a person delivers the speech. God bless, take care all.

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OK... that's a bit clearer now. When you made reference to the lyrics, I was thinking of the word swipes/graphics, and the statement above made no sense to me.

Now, as for the titles being printed into the inner ring, I have seen that on many ZOOM discs. I believe I have also seen this on several Pop Hits Monthly discs. Does that make them suspect?

Now, as for the titles being printed into the inner ring, I have seen that on many ZOOM discs. I believe I have also seen this on several Pop Hits Monthly discs. Does that make them suspect?[/quote]

Another great question. Actually it depends more upon whether or not you can personally pick up a phone and call the legit producer of the disc. I remember years ago selling a pop hits monthly disc and the consumer asked if it was a fake and PHM quickly expressed that they had pressed some disc in house. I think that's where you might see titles printed into the inner ring. So in order to validate the inner ring markings, we feel that it must be backed up by the producer. Until a producer steps forward that can be traced, then we feel that we will have nothing to do with Singer Solutions and other disc of it's kind.

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Even with the vast amount of research we do. We clearly live with fault as well. Whenever we are not clear, it's nice to see people politely ask for clarification as opposed to donning Armour vest and declaring war.

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