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I posted this in another thread but I think it fits here too:

I went to a VFW last night and the host had quite an elaborate set-up with lights, props, projector & screen, huge 18" floor monitor, AND every song imaginable. He used 2 laptops, 1 for karaoke, 1 for filler. His main draw was probably that he played "customer CD's"......lots of them, and he did it very effeciently. There was an ocassional pause in the singing to wait for a cd to load, but considering the number of singers with their own cd's, it was very acceptable. I don't think he played any ones thumb drives, but I bet if asked he would give a try.

The place was packed with 41 singers and he got all through in 2 hrs 25 min. A lot of people left after singing their first song because they knew there was no chance of singing a second. This was an older crowd, and drinks were real cheap ($1.75 for pint of beer, $2.50 for a good mixed drink, $1.50 bottle of water). He told me his pay was $150 for 3 hours and he did get some tips, and the more tips he recieved the later he staye

All apperared good but his mixing skills lacked. Regardless of all the other attributes he had, that was a killer for me. His 18" floor monitor could not be heard and the mics were mud for everyone all night.

PS. Do I think he owns his 100K songs......without a doubt he does not.......did anyone in the room care.....absolutely not, except for me. Is he my "unfair competition", YES, but does he affect me, NO. I do all of things he does (including thumb drives), and I own over 60,000 songs on cd's (90,000 including dupe cd's).

But what is the hesitation by SC to publish that list? When someone doesn't do something that seems like common sense, it makes me wonder' Are there only 4 or 5? This seems like something they'd be shouting out.

Does ASCAP/BMI have a listing of venues so we can pick and choose which dance clubs or honkytonks we attend to dance to a DJ or line dance to a cover song country band?

So far Leaping Lizard is the only one that has any actual knowledge that Safe venues exist. Surely there must be others, or is this like a secret society that walks among us and you don't even know. Has anyone tried to get a gig and was informed by the venue that they had to be certified, or get certified, to play SC tracks at that venue?

So far Leaping Lizard is the only one that has any actual knowledge that Safe venues exist.

If a person wanted to visit a "safe" show then they could look at the list of certified/gem hosts and go from there. A lot of them list websites on their listings as far as finding their shows.

I took the step to register our company knowing that most venues would ignore the whole thing and trying to keep them out of trouble would mainly be my problem.

Part of the alleged worth is supposed to be about being eligible for hire at a Safe Harbor venue.

So far Leaping Lizard is the only one that has any actual knowledge that Safe venues exist. Surely there must be others, or is this like a secret society that walks among us and you don't even know. Has anyone tried to get a gig and was informed by the venue that they had to be certified, or get certified, to play SC tracks at that venue?

Incorrect. A certified operator can be hired at ANY venue without fear of him or the venue being sued. There is nothing special about Safe Harbor venues in that regard. Safe Harbor venues are not required to hire certified operators.

Incorrect. A certified operator can be hired at ANY venue without fear of him or the venue being sued. There is nothing special about Safe Harbor venues in that regard. Safe Harbor venues are not required to hire certified operators.

Safe Harbor venues are not required to hire certified operators.

I think what we're trying to say here is, part of the worth in seeing which venues are registered with Safe Harbor, is that a Certified KJ or an ODB KJ who is looking to be hired, can go directly to those places listed and say, "Hey!.. I'm the exact person you are looking for." Then they can discuss availability and price and go from there.

And, on a side note, you're still doing it... omitting the mention of ODB KJs.... You should have added that they can hire ODB KJs or KJs that do not use SC material as well, without the fear of possibly being sued by SC if they hire someone other than this.

Venues aren't required to hire redheads, either. If I didn't mention redheads in my explanation, does that mean I'm anti-ginger?

Incorrect. A certified operator can be hired at ANY venue without fear of him or the venue being sued. There is nothing special about Safe Harbor venues in that regard. Safe Harbor venues are not required to hire certified operators.

Here is how the safe harbor program works:
1. The venue signs up.
2. The venue has its host register by filling out a questionnaire.
3. SC analyzes the questionnaire and follows up with the host. For example, if the host is running SC from a computer, we would ask the host to get audited and certified. If the host isn't running legally and won't get legal, we notify the venue about the ongoing infringement.
4. If the venue keeps the host on, the safe harbor doesn't apply, and the venue gets sued with the host.

I understand what you're saying, but a legal operator should be able to go to ANY venue and do that.

Venues aren't required to hire redheads, either. If I didn't mention redheads in my explanation, does that mean I'm anti-ginger?

As I said before, venues aren't required to hire certified KJs.

That would be a hard requirement to meet since currently there are only a little over 400 certified hosts nation wide. .

But it would make it that much easier for a legit KJ (Certified, ODB, or KJs who don't use SC material) to be able to walk into places that have registered with SH, knowing ahead of time that these places are specifically looking for people like them.

Venues aren't required to hire redheads, either. If I didn't mention redheads in my explanation, does that mean I'm anti-ginger?

With all due respect to you, Lone Ranger, I'm wondering about that "400" number.

Jim Harrington has stated that the "certified" KJ site is reasonably up to date.

That being the case, I note a grand total of 66 names (some dupe company/KJ) on the list.

Even if we wanted to add the listed GEM users NOT on the certified list- hence, "UN-CERTIFIED", the total would only come to less than 150..

Looks like 66 is the number to me.

Not that it matters. Due to a lack of any evidence to the contrary, I've come to believe that "Safe Harbor" is, like the KIAA, just another SC boogyman- a concept only- and any current list of venues would be VERY short indeed..... Teeny, even...

I wouldn't waste too much time worrying about it...

Incorrect. A certified operator can be hired at ANY venue without fear of him or the venue being sued. There is nothing special about Safe Harbor venues in that regard. Safe Harbor venues are not required to hire certified operators.