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Perhaps not but it appears that judges do, as seen in orders where they order that the Defendants must turn over for destruction all brands on their hard drives.

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I am curious to know where the proof is that a pirate has now deleted ALL files from his/her/their hard drives which he/she/they do not own an original disc for (and based on the above conversations, this would be all brands, not just SC).

With regard to the second part (referring to obtaining written permission to media shift), since there are many manufacturers who have left the Karaoke business, some might still be reachable (such as Pioneer or JVC or DK), while others have gone the way of the wind (such as Music Maestro, BackStage, Performance Tracks, Doctor Music, Standing Ovation, Sound Images, etc). I am assuming that for those who can no longer be reached, the KJ much destroy that material as well (if said KJ does not own the original discs).

If Sound Choice is the only manu sticking it's chin out and leading with it, they should not complain when somebody fights back and decks them. The thing I resent the most Chris is they come on holier than thou and the reality of the situation is they have to get dirty if they are ever going to come close to recovering what they have lost. "What does it profit a man to gain the whole world, and lose his immortal soul". Have a blessed day.

Cue, they are turn over to SC for destruction and SC has to provide proof to the court, within the number of days set by the judge, that it has been done. That is part of the order made by the judge.

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Cueball,

"With regard to the second part (referring to obtaining written permission to media shift), since there are many manufacturers who have left the Karaoke business, some might still be reachable (such as Pioneer or JVC or DK), while others have gone the way of the wind (such as Music Maestro, BackStage, Performance Tracks, Doctor Music, Standing Ovation, Sound Images, etc). I am assuming that for those who can no longer be reached, the KJ much destroy that material as well (if said KJ does not own the original discs)."

Any manufacture that is unreachable or unwilling to give permission can not be used digitally even if the KJ owns those discs. The courts are ordering all "HD's or "other digital media" to be turned over to SC within a set time period for erasure or destruction. The enjoined KJ's can still operate from original media that they own using a disc player and can use digital files from companies that the receive written permission from
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So legally using the SC product opens the door as Perry Mason used to say, and allows the destruction of other materials in a hosts library, another reason not to use the SC product at all. Have a blessed day.

wait a minute...............
so because no other company is doing this, SC is going to make you stop using a hard drive altogether? no other company is playing this game, i cant get a book full of certificates to shift when no other company is doing it.

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I believe they are referring to illegal drives (no disc or download receipts) to begin with. Not those who have shifted their legitimate discs to HD.

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And why is that a bad thing. It only opens the door to the Pirates. The only ones who would be effected by that would be the KJs who couldn't prove they were 1:1 with SC material. Logic dictates that if you're using an illegally obtained library of SC goods, it is highly likely that the rest of your library was obtained through the same means.

If the KJ can show 1:1 on his/her SC material, then SC can't push for the rest (because they have no authority to do so). You would pay for your Audit, and get your Certificate, and/or pay for a GEM Series (if you wanted to get it). That would be the end of it.

No. Legally using the product doesn't expose you to anything.

Playing from Sound Choice discs - Golden
Media shift, pro-actively get an audit - Golden
Media shift, get sued, prove you have all your discs, work it out with Sound Choice - Still Golden

It's when Sound Choice comes after you and you don't have the Sound Choice discs to prove you are 1:1 that you run the risk of having to delete everything. In which case you are pirating and should suffer the consequences.

And ANY reasonable person knows this.

Yet you want to try to scare people away from Sound Choice when there is absolutely nothing to be scared of.

Seriously, I don't know why you constantly want to make everything about Sound Choice sound as badly as possible. None of this impacts you. None of this even concerns you. You don't use even use their product. You have given no indication that Sound Choice ever did anything bad to you. In another thread you admitted you have suffered no ill effect from Sound Choice actions in your area. If none of this has any impact on you what-so-ever, why do you comment on it at all? I am thinking back on all of your anti-Sound Choice rhetoric and I can't come up with any reason at all why you even have an opinion about it. Do you feel like you are protecting unsuspecting karaoke hosts from Sound Choice? Do you think you are benefitting the karaoke community at large by denouncing any and all things Sound Choice? That you are making a positive contribution to the community via these forums? Or do you just want to see Sound Choice fail? If Sound Choice folds today, what impact does it have on you? (None!) If Sound Choice stops suing and stops asking for audits, what impact does it have on you? (None!) If Sound Choice starts producing 1 disc a month or 10 discs a month, what impact does it have on you, (None!).

You have nothing better to do than to comment on something that has ABSOLUTELY NO IMPACT ON YOU for the sole reason of stirring the pot.

You are the very definition of a troll.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)


-Chris

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Wow you sure seem to know a lot about our IRS system.... Again I do not believe that I personally pay for anyone's audit as the taxes I pay, (here we go again) wouldn't even pay for the electricity you use to post such nonsense here. You don't know me or how much I pay in taxes, so don't say I pay for anyone's audit.
Yes I know the IRS can audit me at anytime they want but it would be a waste of time, money and resources.

NO an IRS audit costs exactly $O.00 if you are in the right!!!
Can SC say the same?....UH NO as if you are sued they charge you $500.


One other thing. When referring to on PLEASE use the whole name as there are a few of us whose name starts with LONE!!!!!

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First of all taxes pay for the IRS and as someone said before the only things of certainty in life is death and taxes. So there is a cost. If you get audited the other costs incurred are usually an accountant and a lawyer, which the government will not pay for, even if you do win. Of course if you want to take on the IRS alone, then good luck you will need it. But then again some people live in a fantasy world or don't know how the world works.

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Most "audits" by the IRS are done without a person even knowing. At worst, the IRS may ask you to email them some paperwork that doesn't show up in their records unless there is something major. They really don't care about the small stuff. They aren't going to waste a bunch of time tracking down a $500 donation claim. No lawyers, no accountants and most times no clients. Just a simple review of records they can easily get to without even asking.

You know and I know cue that for any number of reasons the original discs could be lost, stolen or destroyed, and yet a copy could exist somewhere in the host's library. Some of these tracks are no longer in production and if you want to use the song in your show you couldn't lacking an original copy. What starts this whole ball rolling is SC, it opens the door for not only their product but any other product you might have. The original need for the discs as a tool of the trade has been supplanted by the need to back up your library to avoid legal action. Currently the only manu pushing this legal solution is SC. That is it, and that is why it is important to find another way to solve this problem, the current fix is not working, and will never be fully implemented no matter what SC does. Have a blessed day.

If something is wrong and you don't say it is wrong Chris, legally your silence means you support the current legal process of SC. It sounds bad because SC has done some things that call into question their judgement as far as applying this legal process of theirs. It was a mistake that even Insane admits, as far as hiring APS to be the sole legal representative for SC's interests. Currently no other manus are requiring a host to have to prove anything. Why not then use the other products and avoid any unpleasant encounters with James? James admits that there is no problem if you don't use SC, if that is the case then it is a business decision whether to use or not use. What I don't like is this idea to use is to abuse, that a host has to prove his or her legality, that the burden of the proof is on the accused and not the accuser. As far as stirring the pot goes isn't that what James, Insane and the other certified hosts do. They all have their own reasons for doing so. I think it is important to look at both sides of an issue. The pirates aren't right and SC's solution to the problem, leaves a lot to be desired. Two wrongs don't make a right. Have a blessed day.

Do you really think anyone will accidentally thing you are Pro-SC because you skip commenting on a post? Are you telling me that the silence of the other 17,000+ members of this forum means they all support SC? If so, then pack your bags because the cheerleaders win. A lot more people supporting SC through their silence then the few that keep tossing troll bombs.

Of course I believe most everyone seems to understand that silence does not equal agreement or support. Silence also means "not interested", "no comment", "I don't care", "doesn't involve me", "nothing relevant to add", "what? and miss my Seinfeld re-runs!?!?", "I don't read the legal threads", "I haven't logged on in forever" and so on.



The burden of proof is and always has been with Sound Choice. But the host must be involved.
For SC to determine if the host is 1:1 compliant, they have 2 options;

1) ask the host to produce discs voluntarily to demonstrate 1:1; or
2) file suit to compel them to produce discs to demonstrate 1:1

The host MUST be involved. There is no amount of ranting by you or anyone in any forum that is going to change this.



If you haven't been paying attention, the true cheerleaders have all but abandoned KaraokeScene.

-Chris

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Thanks MrBoo yep this is the way most audits are done by the IRS but old Mr. Canada seems to think that he knows all about us south of the border. I'm pretty sure that someone here has mentioned that they have been audited by the IRS a couple of times. Don't remember just who but it could have been Joe, maybe he will chime in on this and again what I pay in taxes wouldn't pay for one bottle of booze that some of our congressmen drink. So I'm sure that it don't pay for anyone's audits.

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one correction Chris, the burden of proof is on the host, not SC. in civil cases the defendant must prove they did not do what they are being accused of. SC makes a claim of infringement and the host must prove otherwise.

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This is not accurate. SC has the burden of proof. The host is required to provide access to us to inspect his systems and discs.

Well if an original disc is lost, stolen, sold, or destroyed, then you no longer own it, just like anything else you own that got lost, stolen, sold, or destroyed. You no longer own it.

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