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I still don't think he recognizes that no one OWNS a GEM package. They LICENSE it. And licenses have restrictions and can be revoked.

-Chris

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He does seem to have a problem with the terms buying, renting, leasing, and licencing. The only term here that means you are the owner is buying, however there can be restrictions if a licence is involved. With renting and leasing, you do not own it ever. However, in some cases one can buy something they have rented or leased but it doesn't mean it is an absolute. In almost all cases of rent/lease to own, the buyer would have shelled out a lot more money than outright buying the item.

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It is the same with most software. What you buy is a license. That license has terms of use and usually a EULA that you are responsible for reading and (trying) to understand.

-Chris

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A stranger is a friend you haven't met yet

That's primarily due to... nobody in life owes us anything.

It is what it is, so you gotta pay to play as they say!

The question that comes to my mind is why would something so new be up for sale- and at a fraction of the cost- now in the first place? I can't imagine a KJ having business problems or planning on getting out of the business making this investment, then doing that.

I see no logical reason- unless maybe they are copies/counterfeits? NOTE: This is just a wild guess- nothing more- due to a lack of any other theory.

Any thoughts?

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Instead of making speculations and self-righteous judgements, if you think it's a counterfeit, then why don't you:

A. Contact the Seller and express that he/she made no mention of the fact that the final sale must be approved by SC before the transfer of the license can be completed.,
or
B. Report the Seller to E-Bay on the grounds you believe he/she is selling a counterfeit product.

But Cue don't you know it's more fun to speculate without a shred of evidence and come to whatever conclusion you want and try to have others to believe what you want them to believe regardless of the facts or trying to learn the facts.

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There is no conspiracy here. It's an auction. "Fraction of the cost" doesn't apply. Just because it was listed with a starting price of $1000 doesn't mean it won't end at something just under retail.

Looking at the picture, the item being sold is packaged the same way Sound Choice packages the GEM and the disc labels are the same. It would be a lot, and I mean a LOT of work (and you should know this Joe since you are a disc KJ) to replicate and burn 6000 Sound Choice tracks at 320kbps and burn those to disc and create 200 different unique disc labels. Plus, the seller is easily identifiable from the Sound Choice GEM owners page so we at least know the seller is an actual GEM licensee. Not to mention that Harrington has already posted that they have contacted the seller.

Instead of conjuring up a guess out of thin air because you lack a theory, do a little legwork and provides some facts or at least some deductive reasoning.

-Chris

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It's not up for sale. It's up for AUCTION. You know how they work, right?



Nobody plans on going out of business Joe. Things happen.



Really? You see no logical reason in an auction? Selling your stuff to the highest bidder?

Geez, with this line of thinking everything on eBay is counterfeit. After all, why else would people auction things off for such bargain prices?



Yes. Stop making wild guesses.

Or maybe he's had one too many Buds before posting (since he likes to do a lot of 2 AM posts).

I've never known anyone to drink 100 bottles in one sitting.

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Cue, did you really read my post, and post THAT reply???

1) I stated that I have absolutely no idea why the seller would do as he has.

2) I clearly stated that the thought that they MIGHT be copies was (IN BOLDS) "A WILD GUESS.
That means that I clearly have no idea if that is the case or NOT. I If I thought it was a solid hypothesis, I would have stated " I think that..."
I also stated that the reason for this wild guess was because I simply had no other theory- in other words, there was nothing else on which it was based.

3) I asked for other thoughts because I was hoping for an answer to my question, which is why I asked it..

4) After reading my post several times, it still seems like a request for a solid reason, and shows absolutely no intent of being "self-righteous. Maybe you might explain your impressions?

....Or did you simply wake up un the wrong side of the slab this morning?

Apparently, while no one seemed to actually read my post, everyone took a good read of Cue's. Thanks for jumping on...

BTW- I know how an auction works- including the seller's willingness to accept the best offer- whether low or higher. Let's say the best offer was $1200. The SC site ad's the set for $5000. The seller was willing to take $3800 loss on a reasonably new item.

Again, would anyone like to offer any reason for this, or would you prefer to continue tossing flames......

My friend Steve ( Yes, outside of these damn debates, we get along fine) came up with at least one workable theory: A need to sell due to moving a long distance?

Allow me to rephrase my question: Any thoughts in regard to sellers actions, rather than speculating on my posting style or reasons?

Thanks in advance for your help.....

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" Disc based and loving it..."

I give no more thought to why this person is selling a GEM than I give to anyone selling any other karaoke material.

-Chris

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I hear you Chris. If I was wondering, I would ask the seller (as I have done in many other cases) why are you selling the car, sofa, table, or whatever. Joe if you are that curious, contact him or her and ask. It really is that simple.

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You asked....




You said that you could not imagine any of the above, therefore you concluded that you saw no logical reason, and thus assumed the worst ...

Your general (written) tone stating that YOU could not possible fathom any other possible explanation is (in my opinion) self-righteous. The way you stated YOUR IMAGINED CONCLUSION sure looked like a JUDGEMENT to me... and then you tried to sugar-coat that by hiding behind your statement that it is JUST A WILD GUESS because you can't possible think of any other reason



And, while I'm at it....

Then why didn't I get a single "Like" on my post that you referred to, yet the others who "Jumped on" seem to have gotten several?

I believe that we ALL READ YOUR POST (contrary to your beliefs), but we just didn't read it the way YOU WANTED US to read it, and I truly believe they formed their own opinion/s without even reading my post.

I'm not going to speculate on why the guy is selling these on ebay. I do know that no matter how hard SC tries to end piracy, 99% of pirates will NEVER get caught. The sheer number of hard drives out there is just too high. With the GEM Series being a "settlement" option here's why I think this is a raw deal for every legal kj out there. A pirate kj will roll the dice that he'll never get caught. If, on the minute chance that he does, he buys the GEM series for $5000 or $9000 or $12,000 or whatever it might be. Lawsuit gets dropped, kj then throws the GEM series on ebay and gets 50-75 percent of the cost back. Pretty good gamble if you ask me.

I don't believe that those who get a GEM through settlement actions can do anything with it until they have paid their settlement in full. There may even be other restrictions since it is part of a settlement but that is a questions for Harrington.

-Chris

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Interesting. The listing was just pulled from ebay.

It wasn't pulled by e-bay...
That probably means 1 of 2 things:
1. He sold it to someone offline (not through e-bay channels), or
2. He changed his mind and decided not to sell it.