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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:39 am 
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Or SC contacted him and let him know that there are conditions where he would not be allowed to sell to certain buyers.


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mrmarog wrote:
Or SC contacted him and let him know that there are conditions where he would not be allowed to sell to certain buyers.


That would still fall under item number 2 which I mentioned in my previous post.


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Or SC contacted him and let him know that there are conditions where he would not be allowed to sell to certain buyers.

That would still fall under item number 2 which I mentioned in my previous post.

I just clarified (and speculated) why he might have changed his mind or who MAY have changed his mind for him. :)


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The point is, unless someone contacts him or her and asks, we don't know and to speculate is plain foolishness.

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I have been in contact with the seller since the ad came up (I saw the ad and notified Harrington before this thread started). I sent a query to the seller when the auction was cancelled but I don't expect an answer because the seller is not an active eBayer.

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You know what's amazing? I posted my question- worded the same way- on the Pro-Sc forum. My avatar there is actually a dartboard/target, because I am so much in the minority there.

Guess what? The folks there actually read my post and comprehended the fact that while a wild guess, a copied set couldn't be discounted. They didn't get bent, and suggested good alternative answers. ME- they guy they'd like to skewer.

Why the problem here? A simple question in hopes of answers, and a suggested possibility. Did I miss something? Did the folks who would like to see me roasted miss something?

Was offense taken because I brought up the possibility of a copied GEM set ( which I brought up a year ago because I saw it in MA, and everyone jumped on me then too)?
If that's the case, keep in mind that the GEMS have been around long enough to have that happen- whether you wish to believe it or live in a dream world....

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You know what's amazing? I posted my question- worded the same way- on the Pro-Sc forum. My avatar there is actually a dartboard/target, because I am so much in the minority there.

Guess what? The folks there actually read my post and comprehended the fact that while a wild guess, a copied set couldn't be discounted. They didn't get bent, and suggested good alternative answers. ME- they guy they'd like to skewer.

Why the problem here? A simple question in hopes of answers, and a suggested possibility. Did I miss something? Did the folks who would like to see me roasted miss something?

Was offense taken because I brought up the possibility of a copied GEM set ( which I brought up a year ago because I saw it in MA, and everyone jumped on me then too)?
If that's the case, keep in mind that the GEMS have been around long enough to have that happen- whether you wish to believe it or live in a dream world....


The reason I discounted what you said is because it is plainly obvious that it is NOT a counterfeit set. A little research (as I pointed out) is all it would have taken to figure it out.

With the variety of "pet-peeve" threads running now, let me just say that one of my biggest pet-peeves is people jumping to conclusions without making even a simple attempt to figure things out on their own first. Everyone here has an Internet connection. Use it.

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You know what's amazing? I posted my question- worded the same way- on the Pro-Sc forum. My avatar there is actually a dartboard/target, because I am so much in the minority there.

Guess what? The folks there actually read my post and comprehended the fact that while a wild guess, a copied set couldn't be discounted. They didn't get bent, and suggested good alternative answers. ME- they guy they'd like to skewer.

Why the problem here? A simple question in hopes of answers, and a suggested possibility. Did I miss something? Did the folks who would like to see me roasted miss something?

Was offense taken because I brought up the possibility of a copied GEM set ( which I brought up a year ago because I saw it in MA, and everyone jumped on me then too)?
If that's the case, keep in mind that the GEMS have been around long enough to have that happen- whether you wish to believe it or live in a dream world....


The reason I discounted what you said is because it is plainly obvious that it is NOT a counterfeit set. A little research (as I pointed out) is all it would have taken to figure it out.

With the variety of "pet-peeve" threads running now, let me just say that one of my biggest pet-peeves is people jumping to conclusions without making even a simple attempt to figure things out on their own first. Everyone here has an Internet connection. Use it.

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I never saw the set in person or examined the discs. I don't jump to conclusions based on what I see on the internet, though some do. Also, I never saw any post from Jim stating that the registration of the set belongs to the seller, only that he contacted the seller.

By the same right, I never jumped to any conclusion about the set's authenticity one way or the other. Comprehend "wild guess", and move on.
Everyone here has eyes to read the posts. Use them.

Sheesh! :roll:

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I never saw the set in person or examined the discs. I don't jump to conclusions based on what I see on the internet, though some do. Also, I never saw any post from Jim stating that the registration of the set belongs to the seller, only that he contacted the seller.

By the same right, I never jumped to any conclusion about the set's authenticity one way or the other. Comprehend "wild guess", and move on.
Everyone here has eyes to read the posts. Use them.

Sheesh! :roll:


No, you didn't jump to a conclusion. You merely introduced an entirely meritless and defamatory innuendo into the conversation--an allegation that tarnishes merely by speaking it, which is almost certainly your purpose.

It's a common tactic on your part.

It is as though someone came to one of your shows, saw that you don't use a computer to put those shows on even though almost everyone else does, and said, "I see no reason why someone wouldn't use a computer instead of lugging around valuable discs--unless maybe he's under some kind of probation or court order that he can't have access to a computer? That's just a wild guess, though."

Just as you have your reasons for not using a computer, which are perfectly noble and reasonable if different from the mainstream, there are many perfectly innocent reasons for someone to seek to dispose of something they bought for a business, even for much less than they paid for it.

You have a problem with this tactic--namely, that you use it. Luckily, I have the solution, and it will only take about ten minutes of your time. This short video, a concept film wrapped around part of a well known David Foster Wallace commencement speech, is about reorienting your thinking as a defense mechanism against hating the world. Doing what he suggests really works.

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Yep I owned a coffee house/tanning salon - paid almost double for what I eventually sold it for. (@$%&#!) happens that someone might need to sell something cheap even though it may be worth 2, 5 10, 100 times more!

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...Well, I won't deny that I didn't put the Auction on my Ebay "Watch List" after clicking the link that Cue provided. On that same day I even messaged the seller with a few questions. The following day the seller slightly changed the description but I didn't receive a response until two days after that but he stated that SC might have found him a buyer. However, if I wanted the set I could have it for $2,000.00. Unfortunately, I was unable open his message and respond back soon enough because he had already sold the set by the time he received my response. Have no idea what he sold it for but I would have bought it for the $2,000.00 price that he wanted. Could have then turned around and sold most of my other SC Discs....oh well


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I never saw the set in person or examined the discs. I don't jump to conclusions based on what I see on the internet, though some do. Also, I never saw any post from Jim stating that the registration of the set belongs to the seller, only that he contacted the seller.

By the same right, I never jumped to any conclusion about the set's authenticity one way or the other. Comprehend "wild guess", and move on.
Everyone here has eyes to read the posts. Use them.

Sheesh! :roll:


No, you didn't jump to a conclusion. You merely introduced an entirely meritless and defamatory innuendo into the conversation--an allegation that tarnishes merely by speaking it, which is almost certainly your purpose.

It's a common tactic on your part.

It is as though someone came to one of your shows, saw that you don't use a computer to put those shows on even though almost everyone else does, and said, "I see no reason why someone wouldn't use a computer instead of lugging around valuable discs--unless maybe he's under some kind of probation or court order that he can't have access to a computer? That's just a wild guess, though."

Just as you have your reasons for not using a computer, which are perfectly noble and reasonable if different from the mainstream, there are many perfectly innocent reasons for someone to seek to dispose of something they bought for a business, even for much less than they paid for it.

You have a problem with this tactic--namely, that you use it. Luckily, I have the solution, and it will only take about ten minutes of your time. This short video, a concept film wrapped around part of a well known David Foster Wallace commencement speech, is about reorienting your thinking as a defense mechanism against hating the world. Doing what he suggests really works.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWqvbPWzVY8


Your post wass a flame in it's entirety and, since I already explained my statement, must be classified as a deliberate lie as well. Also, think MOTIVE. I have no idea who the seller is, so have no reason to aim a shot in his/her direction.
Has your position truly become so weak that you require this sort of dishonest distraction as a debating technique?

I also note that you haven't still haven't stated whether the registration of the discs matched the seller.

Don't care if you do or don't, just mentioning it, because if you did, ( you know, actually post a fact rather than an insult), then even a wild guess without basis- which, as often repeated by me and ignored by you, was what it was, would be put to rest.

Note: This is the point where you usually post that you don't have to do anything I mention, so won't bother...I know, I know....and again, I truly don't care- but your loyal followers seem to, so maybe......

I also mentioned that Steve gave a viable alternate reason for the sale, and agree that it's another possibility. A shame no one else bothered has come up with more of the alternatives that that I asked for, rather than looking for reasons to add to debated issues.

Maybe that's why these debates have gone on so long- rather argue than think through to solutions? I mean for BOTH sides....

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MadMusic,

The listing reappeared yesterday on my ebay app. The description was the same as before, but had added language that SC had approved the listing but there were conditions to getting the rights and you couldn't be a part of the lawsuits. The starting bid was back to $1000 and it had a "buy it now" of $1700. Its gone again, so I don't know if someone bought it or not, but if they did off the listing, it was for $1700.


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MadMusic,

The listing reappeared yesterday on my ebay app. The description was the same as before, but had added language that SC had approved the listing but there were conditions to getting the rights and you couldn't be a part of the lawsuits. The starting bid was back to $1000 and it had a "buy it now" of $1700. Its gone again, so I don't know if someone bought it or not, but if they did off the listing, it was for $1700.


...I didn't recheck it until after reading your posting. Strange! It's shown as ended, as you stated but the "Buy It Now" for $1700.00 was never on there when I had checked it as of a couple of days ago. The last email I received from him was yesterday or the day before(?) stating that he had sold it. Just weird!


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1) Or maybe he's had one too many Buds before posting

2) (since he likes to do a lot of 2 AM posts).


1) I don't drink beer, with the rare exception of maybe a freezing cold 7-ouncer after yard work in hot weather.

2) I post at that time because that's when I am able to do so.

I don't do anything but concentrate on hosting when I'm working, so have to wait until I get back to the office.

During the day I have a life that is more of a priority than sitting on the forum.

And while I'm at it..

"That probably means 1 of 2 things:
1. He sold it to someone offline (not through e-bay channels), or
2. He changed his mind and decided not to sell it."


Speculating Cue? Kind of a double standard that you have there....

Truth be told, I'm with Johnny on the other stuff as well.

You want to post a differing opinion or debate a point? Fine. However, no one elected you forum editor. People post how they post. If it annoys you that much, don't read them- or you might try nicely and respectfully explaining what you consider and error, and why.

Just so you know, sometimes double posts show up here through no fault of the poster.

Cue, I KNOW this isn't the real you. I sincerely hope all is well with you, or will be soon.

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JoeChartreuse wrote:
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1) Or maybe he's had one too many Buds before posting

2) (since he likes to do a lot of 2 AM posts).


1) I don't drink beer, with the rare exception of maybe a freezing cold 7-ouncer after yard work in hot weather.

2) I post at that time because that's when I am able to do so.

I don't do anything but concentrate on hosting when I'm working, so have to wait until I get back to the office.

That comment, albeit no emoticons were used, was a feeble attempt at humor to make light of the previous post Timberlea made. The specific comment about Bud has been an on-going joke between me and Tim. I apologize if you took offense to that.



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And while I'm at it..

"That probably means 1 of 2 things:
1. He sold it to someone offline (not through e-bay channels), or
2. He changed his mind and decided not to sell it."


Speculating Cue? Kind of a double standard that you have there....


Nope... No speculation there whatsoever. I guess I should have omitted the use of the word "probably" in there... Reread the entire post (including the line about "item removed by Seller") post...

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Interesting. The listing was just pulled from ebay.


It wasn't pulled by e-bay...
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This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available.

That probably means 1 of 2 things:
1. He sold it to someone offline (not through e-bay channels), or
2. He changed his mind and decided not to sell it.




When hyperlinking to that Auction on e-bay, it says the Seller removed the listing.
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This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available.
That means that the SELLER removed the auction. Why he removed it would only be because of the 2 reasons I stated. Assuming he did not remove it because of item # 1, you will note that I did NOT SPECULATE as to why he changed his mind and decided not to sell it. And, apparently, he decided to sell it after all, since it was mentioned that he did re-list it a day or 2 later with a "Buy It Now" feature added.


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Just so you know, sometimes double posts show up here through no fault of the poster.
And just so you know, the post you are referring to that I complained about did not fall under your explanation. That wasn't a double-post. It was an entire quote of a rather lengthy post made by the same person (which repeated the entire post back to back (7 minutes apart)) with just a P.S. added to the 2nd post. That was not an accidental post (although, when called on it, he did apologize for that and admit to not knowing any better after all was said and done).


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I don't drink beer


The burning question I have always wanted to know is:

Does Joe Chartreuse...drink Chartreuse? :lol:

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BAZZA! That's a good question, and the answer is...YES! I was turned on to it by someone 30 years ago- yes, because of my name - and I LOVE IT! The wiseguy who thought it would be funny because of my name ended up puking his guts on it that night, while it just put a smile on my face....

That is to say, I love GREEN Chartreuse, and can tolerate the clear version found in Europe on occasion. The yellow is absolutely disgusting.

The color chartreuse is actually named after the liqueur, not the other way around.

Green Chartreuse ( the best known) gets it's color from chloryphyll. (sp?)

If one leaves a bottle of Chartreuse in direct sunlight the color will eventually fade away.

Pre-exile ( while it was still allowed to be made in France) Chartreuse contained over 630 herbs and spices, while now there are less than 200. Unlike Benedictine, this formula actually changed.

Why do I know this stuff? I make liqueurs for a hobby, and would give my eyeteeth to be able to copy it- the stuff is expensive-not happening.

BTW- Though Green Chartreuse now comes as labeled in Bazza's pic, there are still bottles around with RED labels. If you find one, it is what was left of the pre-exile Chartreuse and is worth a small fortune...

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BAZZA! That's a good question, and the answer is...YES! I was turned on to it by someone 30 years ago- yes, because of my name - and I LOVE IT!


Haha...very cool.

Now...if Joe Chartreuse, can drink Chartreuse, while listening to the new ZZ Top song...Chartreuse, it would by a Chartreuse Trifecta!



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