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Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 3:39 pm |
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i was thinking this may be a good idea and not cost to much as in I think they could make it back in more customers/singers... every singer that sings get's half a ticket stub the other half goes into a jar/jug/barrel...each ticket is worth $1.00 for each singer that sings $1.00 goes into another jar/jug..the bar put's in the $1.00 per song sung...at 12 midnight you have a drawing and the winning ticket gets the pot...are maybe 1/2 the pot and the other half can go to a charity...If there's 30 singers and each sing 2 songs that's only 60 bucks and I believe having the chance to win would keep most around for the drawing...duet's pay 1.00 and 1 ticket...what do you think?
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Lonman
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Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 4:14 pm |
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We have done (and still do on occasion) cash drawings like that (or for gift cards, gas cards, etc.), didn't cost them anything - more they sang, they would receive a raffle ticket (or anyone just in the bar could come up and request 1 ticket), the bar put out $50 (or whatever for the particular prize), never really drew people in or kept anyone there longer, as a matter of fact we got the 'when you going to do the drawing' or ' can you do the drawing soon, we have to leave' comments a lot and many times i'd still have to draw 4 or 5 tickets before finding someone who was still there (but most likely would have still been there anyway).
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Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 4:41 pm |
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well that sucks i kinda thought it was a good idea, giving the choice i would go the bar with a cash drawing everytime, all things equal...ty Lon
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mightywiz
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Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:00 pm |
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we did a similar thing:
no fee to the singers, every song they sung they got a ticket.
the bar kicked in 10 and I the host kicked in 10 for a total of $20 each night.
drawing was at 1am and you had to be present 2 consecutive shows to win the progressive pot or they just got $10. this was to be fair to the regulars that showed up every night.
we drew 1 ticket for the total pot, if that that winner wasn't present then we drew another ticket for $10......
then the remaining would roll over to the next nights drawing....
and it worked great, the bigger the pot and the more returning singers.
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TroyVnd27
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Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:52 pm |
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Joined: Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:10 pm Posts: 933 Location: Twin Lake, MI Been Liked: 59 times
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Can't do that in Michigan. You can give prizes away only when no purchase is necessary. Otherwise, it constitutes gambling. Charities can hold 50-50's but they must obtain a special permit to do so.
They've really been cracking down on the stupidest things around here. They even spent a ton of money educating bar owners & patrons that "Birthday Drinks" are "free drinks" and are therefore illegal.
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crazyface
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Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 2:33 am |
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TroyVnd27 wrote: Can't do that in Michigan. You can give prizes away only when no purchase is necessary. Otherwise, it constitutes gambling. Charities can hold 50-50's but they must obtain a special permit to do so.
They've really been cracking down on the stupidest things around here. They even spent a ton of money educating bar owners & patrons that "Birthday Drinks" are "free drinks" and are therefore illegal. What a simply delightful place to live
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Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 5:08 am |
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In Ohio, some contests gave you "bar credit" (circumventing the no free alcohol rule), but the whole buy-in idea is forbidden here.
One of the best ideas we came up with was a "Karaoke Showdown" charity event where one singer would challenge another and the winner was decided by the audience. The winner got a donated prize and the loser had to drop $5 in the contribution jar. We held it as rounds with winners advancing and the donation increased for the loser (The winner got a better prize with each successive round). We even gave them the opportunity to "double down" against a particular opponent. We drew quite a few 'raoke whores to the event.
We also did a 24 hour karaoke marathon where my partner and I sang for a solid day to raise money for a local charity. The best part was singers could donate $1 (or more) to sing a song, donate $5 to put in a slip for a friend (we let the victim decline, but the donation was non-refundable), OR donate $10 and make my partner or me sing whatever song they chose. It was hilarious and fun for all. I ended up singing a LOT of bad female disco tunes.
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TopherM
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Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 5:31 am |
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It's a good idea, but my bar owner would never fund it! He's not much of a forward thinker when it comes to marketing his bar....
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Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:21 pm |
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Lonman wrote: as a matter of fact we got the 'when you going to do the drawing' or ' can you do the drawing soon, we have to leave' comments . Solved that problem and used it to our advantage. Just clearly stated that the drawing was at (time) and you must be present to win. Those interested in the prize ( almost all the singers, since it was their slips that we used) stayed to the time declared, and spent a bit more too. The thing was to maintain a firm stance on the time of the drawing. To those who "had to leave soon" we wished luck on the drawing the next time they came. As for those who really had to leave.....like the singers who say the same to get bumped....We already got what we were going to get from them, so bid them goodnight.
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Lonman
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Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:18 am |
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JoeChartreuse wrote: Lonman wrote: as a matter of fact we got the 'when you going to do the drawing' or ' can you do the drawing soon, we have to leave' comments . Solved that problem and used it to our advantage. Just clearly stated that the drawing was at (time) and you must be present to win. That was always a criteria that someone would have to be present to win. Didn't hold people in longer than they wanted to stay. Usually we'd do the drawing around 11:30 - late enough but still early for most of the regs. I never did the drawings early for those who asked for it. They just left when I said it would be maybe 1/2 hour to a few minutes. Which is what I said, it doesn't necessarily KEEP people there longer nor be a draw. Especially if they had to pay to enter.
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BigJer
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Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:31 pm |
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Just pitched a similar idea to my bar owner billing it as "Singer Appreciation Saturday", but I'm doing it with a twist. Each singer gets $1 when they sing. Then they choose whether to keep the dollar or buy a ticket. If they buy, their dollar goes into the prize jar and the winning ticket gets all the money in the jar. Seems a little more like a game show if they get to choose and they can tell all their friends they got paid to sing if they just keep a dollar...
I offered to put up the cash the first time and if it works, the owner will pay for it after that... With nothing for her to lose the idea was an easy sale and even if the place is packed at 10-12 singers/hour it will cost maybe $50 to try it...
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Lonman
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Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:48 pm |
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BigJer wrote: Just pitched a similar idea to my bar owner billing it as "Singer Appreciation Saturday", but I'm doing it with a twist. Each singer gets $1 when they sing. Then they choose whether to keep the dollar or buy a ticket. If they buy, their dollar goes into the prize jar and the winning ticket gets all the money in the jar. Seems a little more like a game show if they get to choose and they can tell all their friends they got paid to sing if they just keep a dollar...
I offered to put up the cash the first time and if it works, the owner will pay for it after that... With nothing for her to lose the idea was an easy sale and even if the place is packed at 10-12 singers/hour it will cost maybe $50 to try it... Might want to check the local gambling laws, once they donate the dollar for a possible cash pot - it could be considered gambling which could bring big heat down on the bar!
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BigJer
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Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:17 pm |
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I'll look into it, thanks. I'm thinking it isn't their dollar till after they sing - so if I ask them their choice BEFORE they sing and the song is what earns the dollar, than they are merely selecting their form of payment which they receive upon completion of the song...
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:42 pm |
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BigJer wrote: Just pitched a similar idea to my bar owner billing it as "Singer Appreciation Saturday", but I'm doing it with a twist. Each singer gets $1 when they sing. Then they choose whether to keep the dollar or buy a ticket. If they buy, their dollar goes into the prize jar and the winning ticket gets all the money in the jar. Seems a little more like a game show if they get to choose and they can tell all their friends they got paid to sing if they just keep a dollar...
I offered to put up the cash the first time and if it works, the owner will pay for it after that... With nothing for her to lose the idea was an easy sale and even if the place is packed at 10-12 singers/hour it will cost maybe $50 to try it... I like that idea..
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:02 am |
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max wrote: BigJer wrote: Just pitched a similar idea to my bar owner billing it as "Singer Appreciation Saturday", but I'm doing it with a twist. Each singer gets $1 when they sing. Then they choose whether to keep the dollar or buy a ticket. If they buy, their dollar goes into the prize jar and the winning ticket gets all the money in the jar. Seems a little more like a game show if they get to choose and they can tell all their friends they got paid to sing if they just keep a dollar... I offered to put up the cash the first time and if it works, the owner will pay for it after that... With nothing for her to lose the idea was an easy sale and even if the place is packed at 10-12 singers/hour it will cost maybe $50 to try it... I like that idea.. Seems a bit odd to me. Sing three times 3 dollars. Infact if everyone keeps the money you've lost 50 dollars. No incentive to "buy a ticket" until there is money in the pot to start with. Unless I'm missing something.
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:14 am |
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crazyface wrote: max wrote: BigJer wrote: Just pitched a similar idea to my bar owner billing it as "Singer Appreciation Saturday", but I'm doing it with a twist. Each singer gets $1 when they sing. Then they choose whether to keep the dollar or buy a ticket. If they buy, their dollar goes into the prize jar and the winning ticket gets all the money in the jar. Seems a little more like a game show if they get to choose and they can tell all their friends they got paid to sing if they just keep a dollar... I offered to put up the cash the first time and if it works, the owner will pay for it after that... With nothing for her to lose the idea was an easy sale and even if the place is packed at 10-12 singers/hour it will cost maybe $50 to try it... I like that idea.. Seems a bit odd to me. Sing three times 3 dollars. Infact if everyone keeps the money you've lost 50 dollars. No incentive to "buy a ticket" until there is money in the pot to start with. Unless I'm missing something. not a good Idea, do the math: $1 a song depending on when you start and when you end that's 40-60 songs in 4-5hrs... myself .50 cents would be better, then the singer wouldn't get enough to save it for a drink and would be more for getting a ticket.... and .50 x 40 = $20 in the pot.... and here in Washington state that wouldn't fly... damned gambling commission. we can't even have those toy claw machines without the gambling commission involved.
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