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Time for me to go to bed. Here is my reply, and my last one because you didn't get one thing I talked about. My whole message is to treat the host with dignity and respect. Whether we are the "hired help" or not doesn't mean we should be treated like it. You obviously need to work on your people skills.

The rest of my post (other than my comments in parenthesis) is to point out something I rarely point out to someone but holy cow, buy a dictionary and learn a little bit of proper English! By all means, I didn't post every error.


you can like are dislike me I could care less
I know there back ground and how they started
do know a could sound when I hear one
I also get a long with all of them
I don't get up to sing when I go to there karaoke
singing very much anymore for 1 reason r the other
I start one about the k j's
you must feel that's being unfair to you are the rest of the kj's
say a word about the k j without kj's
I have said wheather you like it are not
even if you eel I think I know everything
know it all r a prick
but for you to think that every kj out there knows what they are doing is pretty sad to (I NEVER said that, my message was that you should treat them that way until proven different. If you don’t understand that, look at it like our court system does, innocent until proven guilty.)
all singers know what there doing
differents being I know
I say COULD YOU PLEASE TURN THE VOCAL'S UP IN THE MONITOR..r whatever the case may be again I don't feel that's a lot to ask...DO YOU?
doesn't have a clue as to what there doing
other then you saying I have been running the host down, I stand by what you said above...what part of that do YOU not agree with?
I have also mentions many times i'm speaking of monitor only
many more on how bad r whatever the karaoke singers
use way to much reverb
don't know it all r close to it
I could careless
in a band are not
but I know what your talking about
you feel ASKING to turn up r down something means we are treating you like a slave? interesting.. (I never said that and you obviously don’t get it so I’m going to let that slide by)
will do this are that IF YOU SAY PLEASE

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KingBing Entertainment C'mon Up! I have a song for you!!! [font=MS Sans Serif][/font]

yes I rarely if ever get a long with anyone. in fact i'm surprised you and I get a long so well..scary huh..

I do have to agree THAT is a lot of mistakes, and the fact that you found the time to find if not all a lot of them is impressive..i just wish you had found the time to answer the questions...
and when all else fails become the grammar police...but i'm guessing you have spell check...once again very impressed...and I really am amazed at the mistakes..

let's see... YOU want respect yet feel that most singers don't have a clue as to what's going on...do I have that right? you can answer that AFTER you check my spelling i'll wait..

I'm not resorting to grammar police work, I've answerd your questions that deserve an answer. And don't need spell check for that stuff, honestly most any 5th grader could catch all of them and more. The subject has been run into the ground, just wanted my say. I'm done, thread is locked in my head.

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KingBing Entertainment C'mon Up! I have a song for you!!! [font=MS Sans Serif][/font]

(I've answerd your questions that deserve an answer)

so you just pick and choose which questions you will answer? you are special..

locked in your mind? ...

but I will give you that my spelling sure sucks...you think by chance you could keep a check on it for me?

Max... Just a word or two from an old curmudgeon who's been around the block once or twice.

You really do need to clean up your grammar. It is painful to try to read, let alone make any sense of it. I'm not trying to put you down, or "pile on". It's just a fact. How can we take you seriously, when you obviously do not care to, or perhaps are unable to communicate intelligently. If it's the latter case, then I would suggest you find someone to assist you with your posts.

Secondly, you might want to stop and consider what you are typing before you hit "send". To me, your knee-jerk responses to legitimate observations are giving the impression of an immature, hot-headed, know-it-all.

Again, if you want to be taken seriously, then give some credit to the members here, some of whom have been in the entertainment business for thirty or forty years. One would suspect they've learned something in all that time.

Just a word to the wise. You can take it or leave it.

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hiya Earl, truth is as you can guess I really just type and hope....I agree I do need to pay more attention to spelling..

having said that I also feel that ONLY because of the subject of this thread is this being brought out, NOT the spelling but my questioning of a kj's skills.
like you I have been around the block a few times and although there is a thread on pet peeves of host that seems to be fine. I knew that creating this thread would cause controversy. THEY have a thread putting down karaoke singers why not have a thread bringing up some but not all kj's short comings..
I just get tired of hearing how bad karaoke singers are, yet without them they wouldn't be working.
I have been on this site as long are longer then most here, under different nic's..and I take nothing here personally because no one here knows me and I don't know them...no biggie to me. but when it's all said and done the comment that MOST SINGERS DON'T HAVE A CLUE AS TO WHAT'S GOING ON really rubs me the wrong way. yet they want ME to stop acting like I know it all..i find that funny. but again nothing personal.

thanks again Earl

Max, Lets face it, since laptops and loaded hard drives became the norm for karaoke hosts, it has been CHEAP to get into this business, and it didn't take any skill to land a CHEAP paying gig. Cheap pay means very little extra dollars to buy good equipment let alone a floor monitor. Go to a different bar and patronize a legal host, but don't bash the HARD WORKING LEGITIMATE KJ. There re plenty of us that do a great job, and care about every aspect of putting on a good show.

What other "nics" have you used?

hi, once again if you will read all my comments 99% deal with simply turning vocals up in the monitor, if needed...now if you feel that's bashing then i'm sorry but I really don't.
I do realize that a lot of kj's can't afford great equip. bet i'll bet everything I own they atleast own a volume knob/slide...and again that's been my main point. now if you and other's translate that in to bashing so be it...
I met a kj the other night that's local and he is legal, he is the first legal k j I have found...

I am sure there are plenty that do care but statements like what I have read on here doesn't say a lot about how they truly feel about there singers.
if I walked up to you and told you that you had no clue as to what you were doing i'm guessing that wouldn't go over so well. yet when other's make that same statement about singers somehow it's fine...well it's not fine to me...respect works both ways..if you/they won't respect then give it...

somehow ASKING to turn up vocals in MONITOR and saying PLEASE has now turned in to me BASHING kj's and a know it all..go figure..yet i'm the one with an attitude..but kj's can start a thread on just how bad singers are.

once again I do agree with the price being paid and the fact that they can't afford to buy tracks...just how much does it cost to be legal these days with say 30,000 tracks?...

Re: Biggest pet peeve against KJ
My opinion only, a KJ calling him/herself a professional, it's like a lady of the night referring to herself as a professional hooker. Even though the definition of a professional includes getting paid to do something, doesn't make a KJ a professional.

Figure a minimum $.99 per track (it's more like $1.99 if you don't have any kind of discount cards but we'll say $1 per for general arguement), 30,000 'legal' tracks would run around $30,000 or more right off the bat! The pirates get these illegal drives a few hundred dollars, buy some cheap equipment and call themselves a kj. I have around 14K tracks over 20 years, close to $25-30K spent over that time (most were before you could buy individual tracks). Been running sound for bands since 86.

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i'm not in to running karaoke at all, but that doesn't seem like a very good investment, altho if you add a little at a time i'm guessing it's less painful..around here they get around 125 to 150.00. figure in the act that most around here to it for 4 hours not counting 1 1/2 hr. setup, take down, driving time...has to be just for the love of it, like most bands around here other then casino's..heck thinking back it's always been that way with bands....
ty Lonman

I have my system working 7 nights since I began in '94 (it's been stationary since then as well, no set up or tear down - just regular maintenance), it's paid for itself 100x over (probably more) the 19 years. But that's spread out over 20 years, if I was to do it all again today - I wouldn't bother. But I am considering getting a 2nd rig up and running again (had one years ago), there are ways to get nice large legal libraries today for a lot cheaper than what I paid over the years. I have all the equipment, just not the library.

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is it legal seeing as you have all the cd's to run more then 1 show off the same cd's/ hard drives?
can you copy your cd's to a hard drive then use them ONLY for yourself?

If, by "running more than 1 show," you mean multi-rigging (more than 1 HD containing copies of just that 1 set of CDs), then the answer is "No." 1 set of discs for 1 HD (1:1 ratio) is the limit. For a 2nd HD/rig, you need to own a 2nd set of discs. For a 3rd HD/rig, you need to own a 3rd set of discs. etc... etc... etc...

As in PERSONAL USE (like having a party in your basement), or COMMERCIAL USE (as in running a show with the use of that HD)? Please clarify your question.

I meant as in running a karaoke show at a club/bar.
man that could get expensive..

Absolutely not. This is a perfect definition of multirigging 'piracy'. 1 system, 1 set of discs. If you are running 2 systems, you need a separate set of discs for the next system, 3 systems=3 sets of discs and so on.
As long as they aren't being used for shows in any way, then these would be considered back up.

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Which is why SC is doing what they are doing. Imagine all the kj's running shows with hard drives they bought off e-bay - SC didn't see a dime of that money. Same goes with the kj that may have actually purchased 1 set of discs & is running 5 or 6 systems with that 1 set, big time stealing from the manus since they only saw the initial purchase. That kj should have bought 5 or 6 sets of discs to coincide with each system.

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ty lonman, down here as i'm sure in most states 1 person buy's a hard drive and it's sold to the next person then the next. etc. etc. they have no need to buy on line...plus most around here get all updates from going on certain sites and downloading...once they have the updates they go around selling them for let's say 50,00 for 3 mo.

I was wondering about this last night, I said before I just met a k j from here that was legal...the reason I said that is because he said he was and he had a license.. and i'll go as far as to believe it was real, i'm not sure what it takes to get a license, but couldn't a person just buy let's say 500 tracks or less, get the license THEN go out and buy a h/d? . it's just a question because I can't see me ever doing karaoke other than for home..

A kj cannot buy any license for their music, you either buy it legally or you are a theif - like the hard drives in your area, every one of those are illegal and those are exactly the kinds of kj's that are going ultimately kill karaoke for all, since the manufacturers aren't making money off of those sales, they aren't going to continue producing new music - dozens of manus have already closed shop over the years. Some were due to piracy directly. Others have not produced new music for years, while still others are producing less than desireable tracks anymore because they aren't making the money off sales to be able to license better songs (this is my speculation but makes sense).
Unfortunately, the singers don't care as long as they get to sing. If the singer quit supporting these shows, the piracy would take a dramatic downturn. But I don't see that happening.

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I don't believe most kj's are willing to wait 10 yrs r so to recoup there investment..if they ever would...if everyone went legal or got out of the business there might be 2 r 3 kj's left with a 100 bars, I don't see that happening either.. way to many headache for me...I had rather just sing...ty lon