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Who would manage a lawsuit for using KaraokeChannel tracks in a commercial setting......Stingray or Sound Choice?

-Chris

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Thanks for the info..YEA!!!!!!!

Guess the icroons will be a little more worthless as far as links than it is now with missing some big manus.

I'm betting Karaoke-Version and Tricerasoft and SBI will be next to block.

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I don't know what they state on their downloads, but they state very clearly in the TOS that all songs are for HOME (bolded and capitalized) use ONLY.

Direct quote!
You understand that the tracks are licensed and intended *ONLY* for HOME use.
Kind of contradicts what they've been claiming in the past that all of their stuff is doubly licensed for kj use.

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I tried to get people to pay attention to that for a very long time Lonman....good luck maybe they will listen to you.

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Now that select a track is gone...now what are people going to do????

???? I don't know...some will buy legitimate licensed downloads....some will go back to buying discs...some will look for a way to buy unlicensed downloads using "alternative methods" ...and some will just keep stealing ???? Same S**t Different Day.

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.....and those with a Plan B (always have one....and a Plan C, D, E...)....

-Chris

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-Chris

Here's a direct quote from Tricerasoft for you from their downloads terms and service page. In fact, it is the very first sentence:
http://www.tricerasoft.com/terms_account.html


Now if you please, can anyone show me any documentation that any of your discs are meant for anything other than home/personal use?
If so, which ones are specifically meant for KJ use, and which ones are you prepared to stop using because it turns out they are labeled for home use?
What exactly makes anyone think there has been a difference?
If your library is licensed and approved for KJ use, then why would your venue need to pay public performance fees?

On a side note, I would also like to point out that the recent changes in licensing in the UK are not a ban on the use of their tracks in the USA. The change in their compulsory licensing only omits distribution rights in the USA. It does not restrict any UK manufacturer from acquiring those rights the same way a USA manufacturer would. In fact most of the catalog of the UK manufacturers was licensed prior to the changes and are licensed for worldwide distribution just like the Sound Choice Gem set.

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Lonnie, I can't seem to find that. For Downloads, I did find what earthling just quoted:



And when I went to their Custom CDG section, here's one thing I found under their Terms and Conditions:

3. Shipping:

Select the correct shipping. If you do not select the correct shipping, your disc will NOT be shipped. USA and Canada are together, UK is separate, and anything outside of USA, Canada, and UK must select Other.

To me, that sounds like they are OK with making sales to the US and Canada. I did not see anything mentioned about Custom CDGs that states anything about Personal, Home, or Commercial Use.
Wouldn't that statement apply to ALL forms (Download or CDG)?

Anyone can get around this. Two words "proxy server".

Okay... now lets talk about this, as the thread has degraded into stupid, i'm afraid to say.

When you purchase Karaoke music and use that in your show, that still does not cover the FEE for a 'public performance' of that music. THAT's the reason the bar needs to pay the ASCAP and BMI fees.

Now, your use of karaoke music is NOT a commercial use of that product as there is no retained performance for profit. i.e., you are not recording your performances and selling them. That is what is meant by 'commercial use'.

For example, if you wanted to use a karaoke recorded track to promote your personal performance of that track, you would need to contact the maker of the track and retain a separate license for that use.

I hope that clears everything up.

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I like that.
You have declared this thread as having degraded into stupid, and therefore the time was right to offer your own definition of commercial use.
Hopefully the next poster will upgrade this thread back to smart...

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Talk about STUPID posts (not to mention insulting)!!!


Well DUH!!! Nobody's argued this point. So what's yours?

To put it in its simplest of terms, "A commercial use is one which is undertaken for a business purpose, rather than hobby, recreational, educational, or other purposes. Such uses are usually attributed to a for-profit entity, rather than an individual, university or other educational institutions, or non-profit organizations (such as public libraries, charities, and other organizations created for the promotion of social welfare)."



FOR YOU!!!

select a track is back up and running ..thank god......

yeah, but did you notice it's selectkaraoke . com not selectatrack . com

and in the terms and conditions:

2. Backup to digital media is ONLY allowed for storage as long as it remains in the possession of the owner of the license receipt(s) holder. Backup is the sole responsibility of the customer and you agree that TriceraSoft is NOT liable or responsible for any damage, corruption, or restoration of content that may be caused by choice of backup.

tricerasoft is the owner now.... and it's the exact same layout, just a different color as the tricerasoft download site.

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It's all good!

Yes.....BUT, as SELECTKARAOKE.COM, and with a whole different purchase structure! You have to actually buy CREDITS, which translate into lower prices per song the more credits you buy. You all can read the details, but here is something to chew on as a possible accommodation for the morphing international situation: Could it be that this new structure classifies it, say, as a "subscription" service now, since you are pre-purchasing "credit packages"? And if this is so, does it somehow legally fit under current regulations in this realm?

Actually it is just a "skinned" skinned version of Tricerasoft's site:

About SelectKaraoke:
SelectKaraoke is a karaoke download website which supplies MP3+G® formatted karaoke from well-known karaoke manufacturers. SelectKaraoke is managed and run by TriceraSoft in partnership with Digitop Ltd, owners of the SelectKaraoke brand and a leading provider of karaoke software and content. Any purchase made on the SelectKaraoke website is a transaction made directly with Tricerasoft is are bound by Tricerasoft terms & conditions, click here for more info. Below are details on using the SelectKaraoke Account system. Why do we use Credits....

I guess with all the heat that Digitop/Selectatrack is getting they figured why not get some return on all the Google ads they ran in the US and set up a deal with Tricerasoft? It's a win/win for them both... Selectatrack is only referring customers they cultivated in a market they weren't supposed to be in... and Tricersaoft got a new affiliate to send them loads of traffic for a site they are already using....

A quick look at the content and number of songs by each manufacturer confirms my suspicions

well stated Bradsinger

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"Integrity is choosing your thoughts, words and actions based on your principles and values rather than for your personal gain."
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"if a man has integrity, nothing else matters, If a man has no integrity, nothing else matters."
Lee McGuffey

I only started paying attention to Select-A-Track because of the "sky is falling" rhetoric that was generated, so I don't know about Tricerasoft...has the Tricerasoft site always offered their tracks via CREDITS purchase, as the selectkaraoke.com does now???