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Timberlea,

Smoothedge is a new KJ and just out to make a few bucks, he has not yet learned that his rates should vary for Venues,parties and weddings/special events. If/when he decides to become a business these things will become evident to him.

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Lee McGuffey

Does that make you greedy, for charging the bars more than your friends? Or the converse more commonly seen: are other dj/kjs greedy for charging more for special functions than they do for a weekly bar show?

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See, that is all you are about. You want to saddle the whole industry with CD+Gs and that would make you happy. It's like that is what you are hoping for. I would rather see the entire thing CRUMBLE then have to go back to using primitive media. It's about moving forward, not backward. Why don't we bring back tapes?? Why don't we go way back? Reel to Reel Karaoke, anyone??? Come on Athena, get with the program and start fighting for the RIGHT team!! Fight for the team that wants to move forward and modernize!! And to fight that fight you have to fight AGAINST those that would stop us from modernizing, not roll over and give in to them.

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Right now I am not interested in doing parties and weddings. I don't even have enough equipment for a wedding hall. I am happy doing my weekly shows. If I could get two more weekly shows, I would be making plenty to live off of. I wouldn't need to do weddings or parties.

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I am the ONLY SANE 1 HERE

No Smoothedge I am all for progress...as long as it does not involve THEFT. I do not want to have to haul my heavy discs and players...I am just saying I could and explaining that my discs give me extra protection.

I want to continue to run karaoke digitally....I want everybody (including myself) to make a profit and karaoke as an industry to survive. This will not happen when so many STEAL

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"Integrity is choosing your thoughts, words and actions based on your principles and values rather than for your personal gain."
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"if a man has integrity, nothing else matters, If a man has no integrity, nothing else matters."
Lee McGuffey

I could and would run off discs if I HAD to again.
I'd rather not see that happen, but I would prefer to see kj's that would rather see karaoke CRUMBLE or those who steal their content, just bag it altogether and let those who are willing to 'take a step' backwards do so and keep karaoke going.

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Life isn't about going backwards. It about always moving forwards. Backwards is NOT an option.

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If that's what needs to be done, then so be it. I am prepared either way and CAN run a show with discs - won't like it, but would do it again, ran them for 15 years, the computer is only been in play for me for around 5. If it's something you don't like, don't do it.
I don't think it's going to come to that though.

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"Backwards is NOT an option."

Depending on the situation, going backwards may just be the best option.

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I don't either. i just like messing with Athena, just don't tell her.

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I am the ONLY SANE 1 HERE

Backwards is NEVER an option.

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I am the ONLY SANE 1 HERE

hey just don't tell my husband or your baby mama

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"Integrity is choosing your thoughts, words and actions based on your principles and values rather than for your personal gain."
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"if a man has integrity, nothing else matters, If a man has no integrity, nothing else matters."
Lee McGuffey

i see what Smooth is getting at.....
buy gas, your price depends on whether you are putting it in your car or a gas can.
buy ground beef, your price depends on whether you are making burgers or sloppy joes.
buy a big mac, your price depends on whether it is for here or to go.
there is no real reason other than "because i can" for charging more for the same song for download over physical disc.
the file is 100% the same, just different method to get it to the masses, and at that, downloads have been a boom to their bottom line. those that would not buy the album (like us, 13 dupes or useless songs for one or two good ones) will buy those songs one off download. now the publisher that would not have been paid just did, and the manu has to license more for the next round, again, more money in the publishers pocket. it would seem that they would want download licensing.

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Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

Unless you do the moonwalk well. Then, I can't figure out why you'd move in any other direction, because a good moonwalk is the best thing ever.

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Paradigm,

I do see the point you(and Smoothedge) are making as well, the reality however is that the digital format make it easy for pirating and therefore the publishers want more. If you were selling ANY item and for every sale 5 or more would be stolen wouldn't you charge more?

The cost of retail theft is always passed on to all consumers. I do not like that fact but it applies just the same.

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"Integrity is choosing your thoughts, words and actions based on your principles and values rather than for your personal gain."
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"if a man has integrity, nothing else matters, If a man has no integrity, nothing else matters."
Lee McGuffey

Smooth if you could ask the generals of the past and I'll stick to yours, like Ike, Patton, MacArthur, who all went backwards a time or two in battle, or police officers r firefighters etc, all at one occasion or another all went backwards, or heck let's use you. Are you telling me you have never backed out of a dangerous situation, or even went backwards in your vehicle. And remember the best instrument to write within space is still the lowly, backward pencil.

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You can be strange but not a stranger

remember though, piracy began with CD, remember disc swapping, ripping a copy of a customers disc, etc.
go onto the torrent sites and there are not as many one offs as there are full discs, music and karaoke, full movies ripped off discs, THAT is where i see the piracy in it's largest form. someone buys a disc, rips it, shares it. for a $20.00 disc that is worth it to them, for $1.50 track, not so much. just easier and safer to buy it online.
remember, the digital distribution market for the music industry has shown steady large increases for several years selling more music that they in years before. people are not stealing the songs as much now that it has become cheaper and easier to get what they want. this is why Sony is down to one CD facility not even running full capacity and closed the others. not that people are not buying the music, they are buying more, just in a different way.

"The Nielsen Soundscan report found that total music purchases (physical albums, digital albums and digital songs) totaled an all-time high of 1.65 billion units in 2012, a rise of 3.1 percent over 2011...Unsurprisingly, physical music continued its yearly decline, with sales down by 12.8 percent in 2012...While physical continued its decline, digital sales of music continued to rise in 2012. Thanks in large part to digital music stores on iTunes and Amazon, digital music's 9.1 percent growth meant the format accounted for 37 percent of all album purchases during the year. A total of 108 digital tracks brought in over $1 million in sales, with Carly Rae Jepsen's "Call Me Maybe" and Gotye's "Somebody That I Used To Know" leading the pack, the report found. Each song sold over 6 million tracks. The success of digital singles helped make up for the 4.4 percent drop experienced by sales of full albums...The positive sales figures have temporarily quelled some of the debate over whether streaming services like Spotify, Pandora or Rdio are killing the music industry. According to Greg Sandoval at CNET, the Nielsen figures don't actually take into account plays or revenue generated from streaming or subscription services, or from satellite or web radio. That's not to say streaming services didn't have a tremendous year too: Spotify racked up 5 million paying subscribers this year, and Pandora saw a record number of listener hours logged on its service."

more people are listening on line for free and STILL buying music more than before. people are not wanting CD's as much anymore so are not willing to pay for one. they wand digital distribution and the numbers prove they are willing to buy it if given the availability.

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Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

"Because I can" is a perfectly valid reason to charge more for virtually anything. Only in the most extreme cases do we restrict the ability of a seller to charge whatever the market will bear for any item. Price gouging for essential items during emergency conditions is illegal, of course, but the default rule is that the free market sets the price.

Copyright law is a creature of the Constitution; Congress's powers include the power "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries." In the language of 1789, "science" refers to knowledge generally. Congress has chosen to give to authors (composers, in this case) the right to exclude others from using their works for a period of time, on the theory that giving that exclusive (which can be used to make money through licensing) promotes the creation of those new works. It is certainly possible to conceive of other systems that would benefit society, but that is the system we have, and creating a fundamentally different one would probably require an amendment to the Constitution.

The point of an exclusive is control. If you don't like that Don Henley controls the way his songs are used, you are invited not to use them. If you don't like that some manufacturer charges 10 times as much for downloads as for discs, don't buy. You always have that option. The market is made by a willing seller and a willing buyer who agree on a price. The difference is that if you don't get the price you want as a buyer, you are NOT free to go get that item from someone else, unless that person has the right to sell as well. There is nothing fundamentally unfair about that...because if you could, there is a pretty fair chance that it wouldn't be available from anyone at any price. It just wouldn't get made in the first place.

Thanks for reminding us James that our copyright laws are archaic and probably need to be modernized like the rest of the world, why should only the U.S. and Canada be different?

That is probably the only thing i've ever agreed with you on!

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