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Very true Lonman.

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Lee McGuffey

Here in Canada, the problem is the sync licences. DJs can pay a yearly fee for media shifting their music through AVLA, however due to the syncs, they cannot do karaoke. It would be nice for each country to have an organization like AVLA and include karaoke. It would solve a multitude of problems.

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Here we can just media shift our regular music, without question.

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For commercial use? The AVLA licence is for commercial use. One can media shift here with no problems for private use.

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As far as I know,yeah. I don't know any DJs that carry around a ton of discs anymore, and there is no agency like you have.

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if I was a millionaire, I think I would sue the entire music publishing companies for unfair competion.

I for one would completely support the structure that exists now in the UK.

For one thing there would be absolutely no question of how to be legal.. just pay 1 fee and you are DONE period.

If they can give a liscense to media shift DJ music in Canada, why won't they give one for karaoke as well?

The whole system is the US and Canada is completely stupid, in my not so humble opionion.

The laws need to be changed so that US karaoke publishers are allowed to compete fairly with the overseas distributors.

Forcing the overseas karaoke publishers to stop selling to the US is just plain wrong and unfair.

hence the lawsuit if I could afford it

unfortunately all I will ever be is one poor schmo who survives on a disability income.

just a few ramblings from someone who loves karaoke with a passion, but has had enough of all the bs that has come from it

-James

Bravo jclaydon!! I wish I had said exactly what you said!

jclayton, as I said in my original post, it is because of the sync licence (the onscreen lyrics) that AVLA can't do it. Yeah, I know, it's stupid but that's the way it is.

You may have millions to fight but they have billions.

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yes but that doesn't mean that the PUBLISHERS can't grant a license to media shift. They just don't want to be bothered because currently there is not enough money in it.

-james

edit also isn't karaoke supposed to be an audio visual product. So if they can issue a liscense to be a video disc jockey, they should be able to handle karaoke as well

There are no lyrics on a DJ video. Listen I don't make the rules, just relaying them

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That's right isn't it tim Canada is that other country that has confusing copyright rules? Funny how only two countries on the whole planet are shackled by different copyright laws compared to the rest of the world.

No, but you seem to like rules, just like you enjoy capitalism. You don't seem to want to change anything that would make the life of a KJ better and more convenient.

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To paraphrase Churchill "Capitalism is the worst form of commerce, except for all the rest". Yes I'm in favour of capitalism, what are you in favour of? Communism?

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No, more of capitalistic Socialism, kind of like we have in this country, but the Socialism side needs to expand a bit.

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yes but that doesn't mean that the PUBLISHERS can't grant a license to media shift. They just don't want to be bothered because currently there is not enough money in it.

-james

well sort of....publishers could grant a licence IF they owned the rights to the graphics portion...but they don.t...the karaoke manufactures do.

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Lee McGuffey

So what are you saying Athena that it is sort of a Mexican Standoff? Each side owns a piece of the rights but not the entire rights? That would further complicate matters since you would have to seek permission from each part of the finished product, to be totally in compliance right?

the publishing houses own the rights to the original musical tracks...and licensed those rights to the karaoke manufactures to use to make karaoke tracks.....the karaoke manufacturers own the rights to the recreations of those songs and the lyrics sweeps they created.

Therefore the karaoke manufactures can choose to allow media shifting of those lyric sweeps....because they own them. They have the right to determine any requirements to qualify for permission.

SC has chosen to allow shifting IF you pay for and pass an audit...the other option is to purchase a product that does not require shifting (GEM series)

DTE only sells a product that does not require shifting

CB/rights now owned by PR is going to also allow media shifting with a paid audit also (or so it appears)...not sure where this leaves those who purchased SD cards or the 12000 drive.

No karaoke manufacture can give rights that they do not own to anyone. (musical works)
No publisher can give rights they do not have to anyone either (reproductions or lyrics)

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Lee McGuffey

PR is going to allow shifting with a paid audit, as of today though no auditing system has been set up by PR and all holders of CB material are currently operating without permission, since even the certified hosts certification has expired, even yours Athena. So the rights are divided between two different holders and to be in total compliance a host would have to obtain permission from both holders in order to be totally legal, right?

From speaking directly with publishing houses I am not concerned about needing permission from them IF I have the permission from the karaoke manufactures. Yes my CB certification has expired and I will be a number of months without one before another audit is done...and that is a risk I am willing to absorb

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Lee McGuffey

Uh... not quite. I have purchased some downloads from DTE, and I had to media shift them to disc. And before you jump on me for doing that, go search for my Q&A with the Digitrax rep in this forum (I have provided links to that thread several times).