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James I will have to go look at a GEM contract as I do not have a GEM series. I will see if one of the 3 KJ's I know locally can pull one out for me.

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didnt that just happen, i thought that was what the court said.

kind of like what happened over the last 5 years or so....

and they would make more money like the rest of the music industry has????? nooooooooo

agreed. but then ......
since the artist, lets say Michael Buble, went to PRSformusic and signed up (it's not automatic, they have to sign up with them) for them to manage his rights. Sunfly went to them and said "we want to make it's a beautiful day on karaoke", PRSformusic verifies on their contract that he did not exclude karaoke, then give the rights. Mr. Buble agreed that for karaoke he would take xx cents per download copy. sunfly pays for said copies and makes the downloads available for me to buy. i buy the download copy that sunfly paid for and use it.....the song that Mr. Buble said could be made into karaoke for a price and accepted payment for said track and also accepted payment from ASCAP for my public performance of said track. i feel great that i got his song out to more singers and paid him his asking price that he signed a contract for.
now, if i was a karaoke manufacturer in the U.S. and tried licensing through PRSformusic to avoid the higher prices that the publishers (note, i did not say artist) are charging so they can import them to fill their warehouse, i can see why that would not work. PRSformusic licenses can not be sold to U.S. or Canada based companies, however as a KJ i am not buying the license, the Sunfly is, i am purchasing their completed product and no other licensing is even available for end user KJ's.

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Paradigm, Import for resale was banned by federal law over 2 years ago, so US manufacturers can not fill the warehouse (even with product they made overseas) People are giving SC hell because he shipped in all the GEMs right before the law changed.

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Import for resale was banned, not direct to consumer sales.

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"Licensing should be the same all over the world. Why?? It's all the same product. It's music. It shouldn't be so complicated and it shouldn't cause stress. Using the music you buy shouldn't cause stress."

I could say the same thing about ANY product sold world wide but the reality is that economies are different all over the world, even within the same countries. How about everyone tell me what a Big Mac and a can of Coca Cola cost in their area. I highly doubt it is the same whether you're in LA, NYC, Halifax, London, Moscow, or Tokyo. Smooth, as you can see it's the same product but their cost is vastly different from place to place. It is what a market can bear. And since I know you are going to say that food is different, then I will go with books, video games or even computer programs.

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sort of correct Lonman...If I want a sunfly disc to add to my 3 systems I must buy them 1 at a time and pay separate shipping and handling even though it is a direct to consumer sale. Zoom has placed a disclaimer that sets can not be sold to consumer in the USA as well. one of sales are still allowed

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Apples and Oranges. Regional prices on food, and Bull crap laws that make music licensing difficult are two VERY different thing. VERY BAD analogy!!

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i just bought 2 with no problem.

i cant find it anywhere and it is letting me buy 4 of the 9 disc sets in one order.

if i was a store..........

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You are paying too much and complicating things for yourself unnecessarily. I order 2-3 if the same disc regularly with no issues.

-Chris

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The exception that digital distribution creates has to be taken into consideration. The cost of transferring via Internet has little to no cost difference for the manufacturer from one customer to the next...it is a fundamental shift in how the pricing of such goods should be perceived...

Getting back to the OP - audits- I again question whether mfr audits will be worth a doodle when the giants have some coffee and get moving.

Arguing back and for about what's "right" in this case is meaningless.

I've contacted politicians in the past- they don't care. It will be a music industry internal affair. The giants, despite what some here say, hold all the cards in the U.S.- period. Good or bad, that's the way it is. Therefore the only audits that will count- if they decide to get in on the action- will be from them.

Again, I find it ironic that the karaoke producers will in all liklihood suffer more negative impact than the KJs, and they ( actually mainly one) will have done it to themselves.

I'm also guessing that current U.S. karaoke producers might be feeling a tad put out in regard to that one stagnant label.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Just got 8 - all different discs myself with no problem. What they won't do is sell multiples of one disc at one time, as those could be thought of as for distribution. Athena, since you are a multi-rigger and require muliples of one disc, is that what happened to you?

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" Disc based and loving it..."

i ordered multiples of the same disc and set.
i dont know what their criteria is, but they have not given me a problem.

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But if they do have their coffee and get moving, it could also mean those using original manu discs could be SOL since many of the songs especially from the questionable manus to begin with weren't licensed.

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Smooth I know you either didn't read or ignored my last sentence.

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What James actually demonstrated is that our copyright laws were established at the founding of our country and are outdated, they need to be brought up to the level of copyright law used by other major industrialized countries who trade with us. We are a country that has pushed free trade from the start of our republic and I see no reason to change that position now. The reason our Constitution has survived all these years is it's ability to adapt to current problems and situations. Giving added protection to the publishers would be a move in the wrong direction and taking us further away from the principle of free trade. I don't understand this push of yours Athena to want to codify and legally hamstring karaoke. You want more and more control at all levels, really all of this control is not needed, it was never meant for karaoke to be run like some kind of military base, but rather as a business that incorporates a certain amount of artistic freedom.

And some folks with the same mentality might be screaming that we are becoming Sodom and Gomorrah with the repeal of DOMA...

The very reason for repeals and amendments is when conditions change (civil rights, digital age, etc.), entities take obtuse advantage of the intent of the law, or the original aspects of the constitution no longer apply...

Absolutely no arguement, Lon. The giants could shut down karaoke completely- which has only existed by their sufferance- tomorrow if they wish. Of course, if that happens, you can can thank a certain failed karaoke producer, as it would be their final shot after failing to win in the courts. " If I can't have it, no one can" sorta deal....

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