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SAT didn't merge with Tricerasoft, it's kind of like an 'affiliate' store. Selectatrack (if you can get there) is still the 'exact' same store we all knew just a couple weeks ago (except now they also offer CB/DTE tracks for individual download and custom orders). Selectkaraoke is the mock site via Tricerasoft that any US IP address is directed to bypassing the actual selectatrack.com address entirely.
Not sure where you saw the for home use only at KV either.
http://www.karaoke-version.com/help/use_33.html

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I am trying to understand how it ends up being cheaper for the European/foreign manufacturers to secure rights than for US manufacturers, and apparently in a more timely fashion. Is it simply because the US manufacturers cannot control what they do with them once the rights are released? I am definitely missing a piece of that puzzle...

Coincidence?!?!? Perhaps not...

you may wish to watch the parts of the karaoke summit videos that explain the difference between UK licencing and USA licencing...it will give you the pieces you are missing.

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Here. Look at the PRS disclaimer.
http://www.karaoke-version.com/

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"Use for public events
We are happy to allow the use of our soundtracks for public audiences and other performances.
However, we'd like to remind you that in order to be legally compliant, you must receive an official agreement from your national music rights management office (PRS For Music in the UK for example).
In the case of a non-commercial private event, use of soundtracks is, of course, allowed and unrestricted."
you do not have permission to play any music publicly until you get that permission from the PRS agencies.
they give that permission when the fees are paid to the alphabet soup.

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Right.
This website respects all music copyrights. All rights are reserved for the protected works reproduced on this website. Without permission, all uses other than home and private use are forbidden. All musical material is re-recorded and does not use in any form the original music or original vocals or any feature of the original recording.
Without permission. Which IMO means if the clubs are paying their PRO fees to ASCAP/BMI/SESAC, then there 'shouldn't' be any problem. But your mileage may vary - every legit disc also state unauthorized public use is prohibited (there are some that don't state anything). There are plenty of discs that were sold by US companies that never had even the proper permission to begin with. At least the overseas companies PAID their PR fees to PRS/MSCP.

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The publishing companies got their cut when I paid KaraokeVersion. Not my issue of they negotiated a different deal overseas that gives them less money.

It's like buying USA versus anything else. I am happy to buy USA and even pay a little more. But it has to be available to buy AND the quality has to justify the cost. Right now the US producers aren't able to get BOTH of those in place. So I am buying elsewhere AND they rights holders still get their cut (which is whatever THEY negotiated).

-Chris

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It does seem a bit like a lack of foresight if these rights were given to overseas organizations and the possibility of these tracks being available digitally back into the US wasn't considered...

May be this is a better answer cue, really there has been no "irreparable grievous harm" since the remedy in this case is money period. It is the one element that will make the situation right. The argument seems to be centered around the amount. Since the suing manus at one time were manufacturers and now one says it's a manufacturer and the other is just a legal process company for all practical reasons, the court has set the limit of their harm at the fair retail value of the stolen product. Mind you this is not the wholesale price that they sold it to the mom and pop retailer, so actually they are getting more than they usually would.

I remember when the Hondas and Toyotas started "invading" the US market. It is possible that the big three (auto manus) tried every which way to block them. I bet they even made it tough. In the end, those imports were successful in many ways. First, they taught Americans that you can buy an alternative that isn't as expensive but is actually more dependable. It was unheard of for American made cars to "last" 100,000 miles. Here's something else that happened... US makers had to up their game. And they did! My American brand SUV is not due for a tune up until 100,000 miles! Granted most of the imports aren't "imports any longer but they were during the initial "invasion".

So in my mind, if US karaoke makers want to stay in the game they need to:
Find a way to use the modern "download" method.
Find a way to get the US laws set so they aren't as frickin tight as they are now.
Find a way to make it worth the original copyright holders best interest to do so.

Do they have a model to follow? Hmmm...

That and they need to up the quality. The active companies can't compete, quality-wise with the U.K> companies. SF, SBI, and especially ZM are making better and better songs. All Star reuses SGB, and DTE is not quite good as they could be. Party Tyme is pretty good.

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"I am trying to understand how it ends up being cheaper for the European/foreign manufacturers to secure rights than for US manufacturers, and apparently in a more timely fashion."

Why is gasoline cheaper in the US than England or why is any product more or less expensive in various countries or even between states?

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First of all its called "Supply and Demand", the larger the demand the cheaper things get.
Second the US has more refineries than the UK and for that fact even Canada why do you think they want to build the pipeline from Canada to Texas. Prices vary between states because of shipping costs gas is always cheaper in TX than it is in other states because we have the refineries here. Same thing goes for cars they are cheaper in Detroit than other places because they don't have to be shipped anywhere. Not so for the foreign cars built here they have to be built and then shipped to the nearest port and then reshipped back to the sales floor.

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Then you've just answered the question of why there are differences between the US and the UK. Part is to do with supply and demand and part to do with laws. The US and the UK do not have the sames laws and in the US different states have different laws and punishment. Some states have Capital Punishment, some don't, some have higher Blood Alcohol Counts than others. So comparing the US to the UK is like comparing apples to oranges.

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This is incorrect and an urban myth. For new cars, shipping charges are "equalized" over the country so you will pay the exact same shipping charges (and there are shipping charges) for a new vehicle purchased right outside the factory gate as you would for the same automobile built in Detroit and purchased in Texas.

USED cars are pretty cheap in Detroit however, you have to come here to get them.

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Just about everything in Detroit is cheap. It's a shame that a once vibrant city was brought down due to mostly incompetent city government. Of course the auto and economics crisis combined didn't help much.

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Yeah too bad the 'isn't as expensive' didn't last long!

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it wasn't their incompetence in running things, it was everyone else stealing that caused the problems

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