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Currently SC is the only manu even checking the registration aka the audit. WWD/PR are just mass pulling everyone over without even a means to check the registration filling the court up with what might turn out to be bogus lawsuits. Tying business's up in court and forcing the drivers aka hosts to pay thousands in legal fees. That really isn't justice either if you think about it. Have a legal day.

In the case of knockoffs sold as originals there is an international effort conducted by police and government agencies, at least ASCAP and BMI are organized and do their work in a somewhat more efficient manner. Movie companies again seem to have their ducks in a row. It is only in the area of karaoke where the supposed enforcement is just as unorganized and fragmented as the pirates they are going after. Let's face it these manus are not professionals when it comes to trying to deal with this theft problem. That is why they hire investigators and lawyers to handle these situations for them. In the case of SC they hired APS and that was a disaster, because they did not oversee what their regulators were doing. When the manus hire employees to represent their interests they are responsible for the actions of those employees. Just like when the manus try and hold venues responsible for the actions of the hosts they hire. Bazza if you can tell the good guys from the bad guys that is more than the manus seem able to do.

So what are you saying tim the manus have set themselves a task they don't have the resources to do? I guess they are in kinda of a bind they need money from sales of their products to fund their suits, yet the suits are supposed to drive sales. If there are not enough sales then they don't have the money needed for the suits. Seems like rather a flawed business model since both cylinders need to be working to make this car run.

that would be fine if the person was speeding, but they are only in possession of a car.

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"Unauthorized duplication ... is a violation of applicable laws."

It has been done before, and perhaps it should be done again: A legal statute that WOULD allow backups, but in a commercial setting...

Actually it's pretty easy. We all know who they are and can spot them from a mile away.

The POINT is that you keep saying they should stop or give up because their "numbers are pathetic" or they are "not professionals". My analogies above point out that the effort is still a valid one regardless of the number caught.

Are you saying that IF Sound Choice spent millions hiring a large, professional piracy fighting firm, you would back them 100%? I think not.

If my grandmother had a beard she would be my grandfather Bazza. The facts are these the manus do not have the resources to do a proper job with this legal process. It is not cost effective to do this on a mass scale or it would already have been done. These suits do not yield the type of settlements to have them continue, except to make a few examples and try to pressure hosts into either leasing GEM or subscribing to Cloud. They will never suppress even 10% of the piracy at the rate things are going. Oh by the way SC did hire a large professional piracy fighting firm remember APS. PR is supposed to be a company dedicated to fighting piracy exclusively and they have what two mass filed lawsuits, one filed with SC and the other WWD, oh and let's not forget that one suit where the host defaulted. Not much of a track record is it? If you are that good at spotting pirates why don't you stop hosting and sell your services to the manus they seem like they need all the help they can get?

OK, I'll make this simpler for you. Try to answer the question instead of rambling off.



Are you saying they should just stop then? Is 10% not better than 0%?

What, exactly, is wrong with a 10% or even 2% reduction?

What, exactly, would constitute a GOOD "track record"?

Why not look at history for the answer Bazza? During the time of the Roman Republic the Mediterranean Sea was invested with pirates, to the point grain shipments were not coming to Italy. The Romans looked for someone to solve the problem they turned to Pompey. He had unlimited resources and the authority to do what needed to be done. He divided the Sea into districts and purged the pirates from each district, and to make sure they didn't come back he set up navel bases in each district. In less than a year he eliminated piracy and the Mediterranean became a Roman lake. Now that is a good track record in my book. The problem is the manus neither have the resources nor the type of authority to really make a dent in piracy. Their piecemeal approach will not work, much like the piecemeal approach tried before the Romans to deal with actual piracy. There is no overall plan and the process is divided at least between two manus and one of the manus is even divided more PR/WWD. Until you have some type of universal comprehensive program that includes all the manus the problem can't be solved, because the pirates merely escape into another district. That is why the summit tried to at least create the illusion of a united front. That is also the reason to eliminate supply, get rid of custom discs, foreign imports and try and get the publishers to do something about orphan brands. In this respect the manus are attempting to reduce the choices to two. Then the pirates and legal host will only have two ways to go.

<Sigh>

Sorry if you don't like the answer Bazza but that is what it would take to make the karaoke legal process effective. Minus an overall plan, the resources to carry it out and the authority needed to make it work, there is little chance the current solution will succeed. That is just the cold hard truth. This current process does more harm than good to the industry as a whole, and is only designed to help the current sales of two floundering manus. You really have a short attention span don't you?

C'mon Bazza... You didn't see that coming?

as is unauthorized public performance, not one karaoke host in the world has that in writing either.are we going to be now sued for doing that as well?

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as is unauthorized public performance, not one karaoke host in the world has that in writing either.[/quote]
Oh sure, open up THAT can of worms!! . Are you TRYING to kill Athena??

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Whether you have it in writing or not, venues that pay their ASCAP/BMI/SESAC fees render the public performances of that material "authorized."

There is no corresponding activity--other than getting permission--that allows you to make otherwise unauthorized copies.

Yes please try not to kill Athena or make her head explode. She needs it

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If you feel "threatened" by the manufacturers even though you're legal, you always have the option to be pro-active and go through with a voluntary audit and get your certificate.

I did it, just because I knew they are very active here in Florida and I just didn't want to risk to have my company name involved in a legal matter.

Seems that the manus for some reason really like Florida, there are other states as well, oh that's right they have tried other states and things have not gone so well. You were proactive but really only one manu currently has an auditing system in place SC. If you have CB certification it has expired and needs to be renewed, oh that's right CB has no system in place since CB no longer exists. Well we are told that CB certification will be coming to a city near you some day.

I'm not worried about any manufacturer, as I am 100% 1:1.