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Something some host talked about on the forum has started me to thinking. That the manus at anytime can withdraw their permission to shift even to certified hosts. Now some argue that they don't have the right to grant permission in the first place, that basically they just turn a blind eye to such activity. Let's say that permission is withdrawn to all hosts even the one's that have obtained permission, where does that leave the host? If they wanted to continue using the product in the show, they have to license the SC product or subscribe to Cloud. In a way this would be the simplest solution open to the manus, then everyone would be forced to buy the new products. In the case of ODB's they could maintain the product is not for commercial use and they couldn't host shows, right? If they could do this then the PC users would not have the option of being ODB again. Since up to 95% of the hosts in the business are illegal by the manus numbers this would be the most direct way to get everyone legal. After all the purpose of these suits is to drive sales, what better way to drive sales than to require the purchase of the new product to stay in business? It would not be an unreasonable burden since if hosts have been in business long enough they have already recouped the initial cost of their purchased discs. Now I have been kidded that I use a magic box doing my show. In a way when a manu implodes like CB and the investors are able to obtain the trademark to the product in some unexplained way, they are also using a form of magic box. When I asked Jim how they managed this feat he told me "It is none of your business". It still remains to be seen how good the investor's claim to represent the CB label is. Given the example of the orphan brands if the manus fail and do not protect the labels do they become free ware status material, or do they fall under the publishers protection as indicated at the summit?

Two reasons come to mind that would cause a reversal of an agreed-upon position: 1) the end user violated the agreement; or 2) the company was found to have issued said permission in bad faith or without the authority to do so. If a company simply just decides to withdraw the agreement, at the very least it should cause severe damage to their reputation and credibility, since randomly making such a decision is not normal business practice.

A company that continues in business would worry about damage to their reputation and credibility. I think in this case maybe SC cares a little more than PR since they are still hoping at some future date to resume production of new product. In the case of PR/WWD where they are solely set up as recovery agencies for CB label, this matter of good will might not be so important. After all their demands are not so high just merely a subscription that can be absorbed by a business on a monthly basis.

Per Jim Harrington, sometimes companies produce and distribute without any documentation, depending on a verbal agreement that- for reasons unknown- does not reach reality.

In that case, the producer simply jumped the gun- permision was not withdrawn because it wasn't given in writing in the first place.

Again, this per Jim Harrington.

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This is an extreme oversimplification of what I said.

I'm glad that someone is trying to make things more simple. I know the more complicated they are the more you need lawyers. Would be nice if things could be worked out without them, but lawyers have to eat also.

The problem is that in the process of oversimplification, you lose fine detail that makes a difference in the way things are perceived to be.

Ironically, one of the reasons Joe is disc-based is because he thinks original discs produce sound of higher fidelity and richness than do MP3+G tracks. He's right about that. When you dump 70% of the data in moving from CD Audio to MP3 at the maximum bitrate, the result may be acceptable, but a good ear can tell the difference. Joe's statement, on the other hand, is akin to an MP3 encoded at 24 kbps. You can vaguely identify it as music, but good luck figuring out which song is playing.

I'd beg to differ on that one! Going through a headphone jack of the computer and a crap sound system, yes one would be able to tell a difference. However going through a professional quality audio card and a nice sound system, I would beg any audio purist to be able to tell the difference between a 320 mp3 vs disc!

but that is a different rant......back to your regular same ole same ole

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Believe me, I did not intend to start up THAT argument again. It is incontrovertible, however, that downsampling CD Audio to MP3 levels, even at the maximum bitrate under the MP3 standard, does result in the loss of information that would otherwise be available.

Mr. Harrington,
This sounds like a court argument for controlling quality control of intellectual property rights against those that wish to media shift... legal yes, practical no... imho

Especially given the fact that in today's market the vast amount of music is distributed in mp3/mp4 format...

Agree! Audibly noticeable - nah!

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That's crap and you know it. In a noisy bar NOBODY is going to notice the difference unless they are wearing noise cancelling headphones. The only parts of the sound that are removed are those that are beyond our hearing range, in a high bit rate rip. Now if you were to rip are 96kb/s it would sound like garbage. 128kb/s is the same as an ADD CD. 192 kb/s and up sound no different than a DDD cd.

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People might not be able to hear the difference in that situation...but they can certainly hear the sound of the point whooshing over your head.

What's sad is that YOUR BOSS wants to control everything Karaoke. He wants people to just buy HIS product, even if he has to force them to, he wants the producers to go after everyone who has media shifted their discs, (since he can't legally do that. But I bet he would if he could). He's like a little Karaoke dictator. Personally, I think he needs to be stopped before he gets everyone in trouble for nothing.

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where did you go?

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. on a tangent. It was fun.

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That is why Jim either I have used the disc or downloaded the disc on to a player hard drive directly like the U-Best 168 or 268. There is no compression of the data on the disc and when it is played back you can't tell the difference. It is a time consuming process to download each track individually, but it is like making good wine. You have to take the time and turn out the best product possible.

If you start talking about Oscilloscopes I'm taking you off the Christmas card list.

(Conspiracy theorists...its a joke. I don't send out Christmas cards.)

you know Bazza, you should give someone an open invitation to go to their show for a comparison test

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