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JoeChartreuse
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Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:10 pm |
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HarringtonLaw wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: HarringtonLaw wrote: Believe me, I did not intend to start up THAT argument again. It is incontrovertible, however, that downsampling CD Audio to MP3 levels, even at the maximum bitrate under the MP3 standard, does result in the loss of information that would otherwise be available.
That's crap and you know it. In a noisy bar NOBODY is going to notice the difference unless they are wearing noise cancelling headphones. The only parts of the sound that are removed are those that are beyond our hearing range, in a high bit rate rip. Now if you were to rip are 96kb/s it would sound like garbage. 128kb/s is the same as an ADD CD. 192 kb/s and up sound no different than a DDD cd. People might not be able to hear the difference in that situation...but they can certainly hear the sound of the point whooshing over your head. WOW! Much as I hate to be helpful to you Jim, it happens a lot here. Folks, Jim is saying that he believes my post of his statements was over-simplified, and feels that I didn't include what he feels is pertinent information. While I may disagree, THAT is what he was trying to say- not trying to revive the MP3 vs. CD thingie... However, I DO appreciate his support on that front....
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Lonman
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Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:54 am |
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You guys are hilarious! Again a pro sound card and good system I would pay money to anyone who could tell the difference between a ripped track and original cd in a side by side comparison!
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chrisavis
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Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:50 am |
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HarringtonLaw wrote: It is incontrovertible, however, that downsampling CD Audio to MP3 levels, even at the maximum bitrate under the MP3 standard, does result in the loss of information that would otherwise be available. "Loss of information" does not equal noticeable degradation is sound quality that can be detected by the human ear in a noisy bar. -Chris
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Bazza
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Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 7:12 am |
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chrisavis wrote: "Loss of information" does not equal noticeable degradation is sound quality that can be detected by the human ear in a noisy bar. EXACTLY. TRUTH: MP3's have less information than a linear PCM (wav) file. ALSO TRUTH: The Frauhofer codec uses the proven science of psychoacoustics to determine what information to omit. SCIENCE FACT: The missing bits are bits the human ear & brain does not have the capacity to hear as they would be masked by other more prominent frequencies. RESULT: A 256k or higher MP3 is undetectable from a WAV file in anything other than a controlled, acoustically tuned studio environment on audiophile gear. And even then, by only a very small percentage of the populace. In a bar or club, their is no difference. This is not my opinion, there have been HUNDREDS of studies over the years on this very volatile topic proving his very fact.
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JoeChartreuse
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Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:44 pm |
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Lonman wrote: You guys are hilarious! Again a pro sound card and good system I would pay money to anyone who could tell the difference between a ripped track and original cd in a side by side comparison! You, and those who have posted since are WAY more hilarious, simply because you have skipped over the point that both Jim and I were making, and decided to make up your own subject matter to argue about- but whatever makes you happy.. Jim, my apologies for those above- apparently they are not interested in the more important aspects of our discussion...They seem to think rehashing subjective opinions are more important. Another thread, perhaps?
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Lonman
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Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:34 am |
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JoeChartreuse wrote: You, and those who have posted since are WAY more hilarious, simply because you have skipped over the point that both Jim and I were making, and decided to make up your own subject matter to argue about- but whatever makes you happy..
Jim, my apologies for those above- apparently they are not interested in the more important aspects of our discussion...They seem to think rehashing subjective opinions are more important. Another thread, perhaps? No skipping over anything. I admit dropping to an mp3 will delete content of a song, however if it's not audible through a good sound card and system, the point is moot. Again, I would GIVE money to anyone who could tell the difference on my system between a 320 ripped mp3 and the original disc.
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Bazza
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Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:01 am |
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Lonman wrote: JoeChartreuse wrote: You, and those who have posted since are WAY more hilarious, simply because you have skipped over the point that both Jim and I were making, and decided to make up your own subject matter to argue about- but whatever makes you happy..
Jim, my apologies for those above- apparently they are not interested in the more important aspects of our discussion...They seem to think rehashing subjective opinions are more important. Another thread, perhaps? No skipping over anything. I admit dropping to an mp3 will delete content of a song, however if it's not audible through a good sound card and system, the point is moot. Again, I would GIVE money to anyone who could tell the difference on my system between a 320 ripped mp3 and the original disc. Joe: My offer still stands.
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JoeChartreuse
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Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:02 pm |
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Lonman wrote: JoeChartreuse wrote: You, and those who have posted since are WAY more hilarious, simply because you have skipped over the point that both Jim and I were making, and decided to make up your own subject matter to argue about- but whatever makes you happy..
Jim, my apologies for those above- apparently they are not interested in the more important aspects of our discussion...They seem to think rehashing subjective opinions are more important. Another thread, perhaps? No skipping over anything.. How about JUMPING, or ignoring? Jim was attempting to use an ANALOGY in regard to my post on his statement regarding the OP of this thread. He couldn't care less about CD vs. MP3. This was explained to a few posts above, but the sound quality posts continue- for no reason that I can figure out. However, I guess the thread is now permanently de-railed. OK, next.....
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