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PR and DTE are located in the same area. We are working hand in hand with as many people in the industry that we can right now. PR approached me to help get their audit process started. With me being familiar with the previous audit process they asked if I would train their auditors. The new auditing system will be for anyone that wishes to Certify their CB or DTE tracks. As long as they can show 1:1 compliance as well as receipts for their digital downloads.

So all you are doing is training the auditors who will be working for PR/WWD directly? Just how does it work that verification of Cloud subscription keeps PR/WWD at bay? If you are two different companies what's in it for them money wise to not bother your subscriber's?

So all you are doing is training the auditors who will be working for PR/WWD directly? Just how does it work that verification of Cloud subscription keeps PR/WWD at bay? If you are two different companies what's in it for them money wise to not bother your subscriber's?[/quote]

PR knows that KCP is a fully licensed legal solution. I have been and will continue to help out PR as much as I can, just like I would do for any of the other companies that we work side by side with. As far as money, that has nothing to do with me.

We are trying to work with everyone in this industry not against.

Gretchen - Thank you very much for this information. I appreciate that as private companies, you don't have to tell us anything at all so I am thankful that you are letting know some of these details. I look forward to hearing from you and your team.

-Chris

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Here, is my audit: I own ONE Dave Matthews disc, 90289 from Chartbuster, and 2 DTE downloads from the cloud. They are David Allan Coe - The Ride, and Lita and Ozzy - Close My Eyes Forever. I downloaded 3 other songs from them, but 2 are SF and one is Pri.

Now, does ANYONE seriously think I am going to pay to get that amount of music verified?? REALLY??

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Smooth,

As stated before the Audits will be completely up to the KJ. Just remain in compliance and you will be fine.

You should really talk to whomever is in charge over at PRLLC and tell them not to make everyone feel like a they are doing something wrong by running what they legally purchased. I think the way they are going about this is despicable. Not blaming you in any way, Gretchen. You have always been good to all of us. I am pretty sure I speak for everyone when I say thank you for all you have done for us KJs.

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Smooth they can still name you in a suit, remember it's get named first, THEN try to clear it up with them AND you still have to pay the audit. They are no different from Sound Choice so far.

They would have to come to EVERY show I do, and stay the whole night to catch me play one of the 17 songs I have from CB and DTE, combined. All those songs, bought legitimately.

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Hi Gretchen!!!
you can see the confusion i am sure. audits are voluntary, so if we do not pay for an audit we will not be sued simply for using the legally purchased CB and DTE tracks on a computer?

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Sorry Cue, but if you are using downloads- shifted to disc or not- you are not OMD like me. You ARE media shifting, just in the opposite direction than most.

You are not OMD, or what you call ODB. Not judging or predicting, only observing.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Actually, it should have read " compliant to our wishes". What SC and PR want has nothing to do with "legality", as they cannot LEGALLY give the permissions that they mislead KJs into believing they will, but will only agree to turn a blind eye with payment.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

I love it Chris as private companies they don't have to tell us anything. Yet they want us to do business with them and send them information about our respective companies, which are also private, and don't have to tell them anything, unless we choose to. These manus want us to license their product or subscribe to their service, they are soliciting our business. Yet they treat the commercial host with no respect, and yet we are supposed to fall over ourselves respecting them. Haven't you heard respect is a two way street, that to get it, you have to give it? Would you buy a product if the seller did not answer any questions you might have about that product? I hope intelligent consumers would stay away from companies that would or could not answer our questions frankly and directly. If they hide behind their company silence privilege, then I would think they have something to hide. Just like they assume when a host does not respond to their questions, the host has something to hide. A business relationship like a marriage has to be built on trust. Without trust you have no relationship. I feel it is just wrong thinking to have the host jump through all the hoops and the manu can sit back and not be required to answer any hard questions. That is exactly why so many hosts have a hard time trusting the manus, and of course from the spokes people I have heard with maybe the exception of Gretchen; I feel the manus don't trust hosts. The exchange of information is too one sided and not equitable at all, at least in my opinion.

If we were already listed on the old chartbuster site and can prove we have the 12000 song hardrive from them--how much hassle and expense can it possibly be?

well, you will be named in a suit first before everything else. so a couple hundred bucks and a few hours for the attorney consult, then if they keep consistent $150.00 and a few hours for the audit. once you get ahold of them. we havent heard in a while from the guy named in the first suit but he never got a response or the audit he requested, just bringing his attorney ($$$$) to court.
your drive was certified by CB, but that is expired like ours is. you do not have written permission from PRLLC to use their trademark
(CB) in commerce so you are against their wishes and are in a position to be sued. so far the only ones who are within their wishes (compliance) are ones who are subscribers to the cloud.

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If you want to avoid the court and it's costs, you can always sign up with Cloud, and be placed on the list of verified vetted operators.

Let's go back in time to the day of the LP album. Remember those? That was before CD's. We bought them, and we made a copy to play on our cassette deck in our cars or on our Walkman's. We also created compilations of our favorite songs from these albums. The bottom line is that we bought these albums (at least I did anyway), and did not want to be confined to listening to our music at home. TDK, Maxell and others helped us to achieve that. Back then, it was not called media shifting. It was just being able to enjoy your music wherever you go.

Point being... If you legally buy and own your music, you should be able to "transfer" it to any other device for your listening pleasure and enjoyment.

Flash forward... Karaoke.

It is the KJ's who purchase the most karaoke music and supports the industry. And most of us Purchase and Own the karaoke music that we have "transferred to our laptops". And I don't have to tell you why we do that, I'm sure you all know the many benefits that running a show from your laptop instead of CD's brings.

I do agree with a previous poster that stated karaoke manufacturers do not support us. We're all guilty until proven innocent. This mentality has to change. Yes, there are pirates out there but there are also honest KJ's as well.

I have spent a lot of money on karaoke music. I own and have the CD's to every track that's on my laptop. I feel that if you legally purchased and own your CD's you should be able to use them as you see fit.

As Joe said, you are paying a karaoke manufacturer (audit) to look away. Meaning, if the record company or publisher or whoever comes after you, the karaoke manufacturer knows nothing. So, what is the point of the audit anyway$ It seems that they're only complicating matters and making things worse.

If they really want to help stop piracy, go after the ones selling the illegal hard drives on eBay and Craig's List.

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And you can record your album, cd, mp3, etc. today to whatever you want to take with you, put your songs one whatever media you like - for your own personal use - that was never an issue nor a problem. Once it is changed for professional/commercial use then becomes the problem.

And I seriously doubt the manus would be going through all the trouble they are going through to sue people if it is just us kj's that own the music we transferred to our computers. It's the thousands upon thousands of those who never spent a dime and using their computer.

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I can understand that but I don't think that we should have to pay for an audit to prove that we're compliant.

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All it takes is logic to understand that SOMEONE has to pay for this audit thing...the question of WHO should pay for it is a quandary that might even call into doubt the legitimacy of the process altogether...