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But your example was of a Customer falling inside a place of business, and then stating that the business is still willing to do business with that Victim (even if he/she sues the Business for falling). That is not an example of a Business doing Business with each other.

Cue, no more real beer for you.

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BUD is REAL!!!!!

You poor deluded creature, you.

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I'm with Tim on this one..

The differences....

I have had more than one face-to-face meeting with Kurt.
I have had several phone calls with Kurt.
I have had many email exchanges with Kurt.
I have had a few email exchanges with James.
The basis of their actions is in line with two other karaoke companies (Stellar & CB)

You have one phone call with someone you probably can't name.

I have a history of civil relations with Sound Choice.

You had one phone call with CAVS.

Sound Choice has treated me and everyone else I personally know that has dealt with them very fairly. Including those that I know that have been sued and settled (too fairly in this case but c'est la vie). All of the FUD of signing away rights and being under Sound Choice's thumb have been and continue to be completely unfounded.

You and others like to throw up Judge Wright's comments as a means of proving Sound Choice lawsuits are a "shakedown". With all due respect to Judge Wright, he/she is ONE judge of many. The Supreme Court has 9 Justices and they rarely unanimously agree on things. So how is the opinion of one judge supposed to be considered the ultimate, end all be all opinion of the entire justice system? Especially when a bunch of other judges seem to be perfectly happy with settlement terms so far.

THAT is why I believe Sound Choice.

-Chris

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2! 4! 6! 8! Sound Choice is a company that is great. Rah Rah!!

This is exactly the kind of spin and twisting that causes so much grief and friction in the karaoke community. You want it to sound like I am cheerleading to make you feel better about your position when you LITERALLY just did a cheer for Sound Choice. How is that for irony?

All I did was state facts and offer my experience with Sound Choice then contrast that with The Lone Ranger's experience with CAVS.

You know I don't agree with everything Sound Choice does. Everyone knows this. But because I don't openly and outwardly hate them the way you do, you want to spin me as a cheerleader.

-Chris

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That cheer was a succint translation of your previous post, Chris. I guess the sarcasm went over your head.

Gee! I hope I spelled sarcasm correctly.

I don't hate Sound Choice. I have every one of their songs.

There, I fixed that for you.

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As I recall, that problem being that the publisher (s) want more control. If they get it, this would may well put an end to SC's production anyway. If the don't get it, SC WILL be done.

I would add that on top of the problem above, SC has managed to attach a HUGE amount of negative connotation to their own label, to the point where in is already ...um..."Label Non Grata"? - not only to many hosts, but now venues as well.

After several years of talking about it, I still don't believe SC will be releasing new productions anytime soon- or even have a reason to do so.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

It was not a translation. It was a spin, twist, redefinition but it was not a translation. It wasn't even sarcasm. It was just FUD.

Many pirates have every Sound Choice track so you didn't tell me anything I didn't know already.

-Chris

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Thanks for clearing that up for me. I have them with the logos too. Turns out it doesn't matter either way. I prefer them when they swipe line by line instead of page by page. I'm not trying to spread confusion about my altered discs being originals and I'm certainly not trying to sell them


Someone stop the insanity!!! I think a couple of judges already have. ;c)

According to Insane, if you put your SC disc in a player upside down, you are a pirate. He is Kurt Slep's biggest fan in the world. Kurt can do no wrong, but everyone else on the planet is corrupt and embroiled in piracy. It's just a sickness with him.

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So basically you are basing your opinion of SC on a personal long term relationship. Much like a husband trusts his wife until she proves to be unfaithful. You see I have a history of no relationship with SC, I tend not to support companies I not to agree with. True I have only had one phone contact with CAVS and the information they gave me has not been disputed, in fact it has been confirmed. I'm not seeking a long term relationship really with any manu, I'm already married. Jude Wright's comments have been echoed by other judge's in Florida and else where. What did Jim say about this Kandy Store case the judge was a old meanie in that one to. Seems like SC has had some real bad luck in drawing judges, especially in important landmark cases. If I were a judge I would be happy to if out of court settlements could be reached for these types of cases, that would free up my docket for more important issues to be resolved. You have said these manus aren't greedy Chris they are only wanting to recover their losses. If that is the case why should they feel they deserve more than the fair retail value of the product stolen. After all that is the extent of their damages, according to the Panama City Florida case. Those awards were upheld on appeal. An appeal that was filed by Jim.

SC does not have the right to enjoy the full retail value of their discs. If SC could prove infringement, it is only the incremental profit SC makes on its own sales that they may claim. Jimbo has never disputed that the Florida judgement of $9K for full retail was excessive.

In my opinion, it is your refusal to open a line of communications and have a relationship with the manufacturers that prevents you from being even remotely credible. If your only sources of information are the very opinionated people on a handful of message forums and you don't take the time to get a hold of the principal players, then you can't make a truly informed opinion much less state certain things as absolute fact.

When I came to the forums, this debate was already if full swing. I could have chosen to just listen to what was being said here and tried to make a decision based only on the comments here. I was actually very skeptical of what the manufacturers were doing with certifications. I could just as easily ended up being on the anti-Sound Choice side of the debate after reading the posts here. Instead, I chose to read the forums *AND* reach out to the manufacturers. They turned out to be much less frightening than some of the folks made them out to be.

Too many people demonize Kurt and Sound Choice without having ever spoken to a single person at Sound Choice. Instead of working directly with the source, people choose to simply believe what they read. It was on the Internet, so it must be true. It is absolutely amazing that people are more willing to take the word of a few people with a bone to pick with Kurt without ever speaking to Kurt directly.





I don't know how the law defines how damages should be applied in these cases. My opinion though is that obtaining ONLY the fair market value is not fair to the manufacturers.

Someone stole their merchandise. Then they used it to profit from it, potentially for years. During that time they are promoting the act of piracy and theft indirectly by continuing to use it without compensating the manufacturers or directly by telling others how they got away with it or even re-distributing the pirated/stolen material.

They likely obtained the material from a source that distributes to other thieves. They didn't report it or do anything to prevent it from occurring again. Thus there is a compound effect of many people being able to steal it over and over. In all likelihood, very few of those people will get caught. The sales lost are more than just the sales from the pirate that was caught. It is the sales of the rest that won't get caught and the sales lost from anyone the content may have been distributed to.

Finally, if the only deterrent to the crime is to pay fair market value, or as RoakeBoy states "the incremental profit", then there is no deterrent. You are essentially say they can use it till they get caught then they can pay for it. If that is the case, why would anyone pay for it ever? There must be something in place that makes people think twice about doing it or the punishment is ineffective.

-Chris

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Chris why would I have to open a line of communication with a company I have boycotted for more than 5 years now? I never wanted to be an expert on SC or it's legal process methods. From what I have seen and read I am convinced they are running a scam on the KJ community and should be stopped from doing so. The reason SC and Kurt have been demonized is because they have done things to make themselves legal lepers in the karaoke industry. I know if I were sued by some manu I would be outraged and angry, especially if I found out the company that was suing me was doing it on weak legal ground in order to leverage money out of me and my business. I think it is pretty frighting to have a company want to sue you after you have bought their product and used it. It would make me want to not use the product at all and use other materials, like many hosts have done. Really Chris aren't the manus themselves saying that if the host comes in and pays to license and subscribe all those years of piracy are forgiven, without even an audit. That all that incremental income will be water under the bridge as long as you pay us now. What kind of punishment is that to make the pirate think twice? Aren't you the host that talked with an admitted pirate and he told you if he gets caught he'll just pay up it's like a manu fine, and business continue as usual, with the host still in direct competition with you.

The Lone Ranger - You don't get it. You won't ever get it. You have a completely closed mind. Not my job to convince you to open it either. Have a nice retirement.

-Chris

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Open it to what Chris, to accepting these legal process shakedown suits? A host has to be open to something that is shady legally in order to fight something that is illegal? In the process the industry itself is in turmoil. I just hope that time will prove which of us is right about this whole legal process situation. As I remember 2013 is supposed to be the year of manu implosion according to the experts at summit I, the year is not up yet.