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And, I can see EXACTLY how YOU are a PRIME EXAMPLE of doing just that... by spreading that same BOGUS MATERIAL onto this Forum (when you just got through saying you saw it on OTHER FORUMS). The fact that you didn't see it on THIS FORUM, didn't stop you from "hesitating to say" it anyway.

Don't know if anyone noticed it before but those new Digitrax songs now say Copyright by Chartbuster Karaoke at the end of them.

It's not "hear say". I sang one last night at karaoke and saw it with my own two eyes. Can't wait to see if CAVS have their lawyers look into the situation. It's not like there was much doubt in anyone's mind what was going on there.

Looks like someone in the producction line clicked on the wrong graphic, that just happemed to be in the Digitrac computer that makes their karaoke tracks that look exactly like the old Chartbuster Karaoke tracks.

Can you say All Hits, Dangerous, Helluvadisc, Sweet Georgia Brown, Top Tunes?

Just more of the same old; Do as I say and not as I do routine. The seem to be tryting to break every rule in th ekaraoke book while threatening to file law suits against people who just want to media shift their property to a computer.

Man, those hands are looking very dirty again.

You ask for conformation of the destruction story cue, I know you don't like it this way but it is the only way I can give it to you.

The Free Forum: Chartbuusters In Australia pg #1 by the Admin aka rumbolt.

"As for unsold product, I am to understand that all product left unsold at CB was to be destroyed. Any product that was sold to resellers (even ebay sellers) did not have to be returned. Prior to the company closing there was an entire warehouse of unsold product, thousands of discs of lost revenue (because of abundance of digital copies being shared amongst non paying but profiting from possessing digital copies kj's) that I saw being broken and crushed and thrown into a dumpster. I think the off shore seller possibly is pressing discs from digital files not authorized in the states, but what do I know!"

So here we have a written statement by an eye witness to the destruction. It was funny even after this destruction there still seemed to be enough product left for ACE karaoke to have their fire sale of mixed bags.

P.S. Gretchen comes on this forum she would know if any CB product was in fact destroyed or not, why not ask her about it? Also if she knows anything about this CB product from down under.

I'd rather ask Gretchen why the new Karaoke Cloud tracks say "Copyright 2013 Chartbuster Karaoke" on them?

I think "unsold discs" is the key. They had a bit of a fire sale at the end where good customers and other people in the know were able to buy in bulk for very little money so a lot of product may have been snapped up that way before the destruction of what was left.

It would be interesting to see what they are selling down under.In the states you can see that all the resellers are running low on product.
I wonder when the 12000 song chartbuster authorized hard drive will reappear?

They were only certified for one year and that has long since passed.

That statement is blatantly false.

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NOTE: The key words in Rumbolt's statement are "I am to understand that." That makes it an OPINION, NOT A FACT!
And where is the part about discs being returned to CB (which led to my statement about not recalling "reading anything that stated any CB discs were (or had to be) returned to CB." In your original statement, you said that "Certified KJs were told...".

Even Rumbolt's statement (which you just quoted) contradicts your original statement. It only mentions that SOLD PRODUCT did not have to be returned. If the product was NOT SOLD by CB, there was NOTHING to RETURN to CB. If there was any product NOT SOLD by CB (also stated as being "all product left unsold at CB"), then it would still be sitting in their warehouse or factory (not returned to) until it was decreed to be destroyed. So far, all you came up with was Rumbolt's UNDERSTANDING that this was the case. The fact that Rumbolt bore witness to seeing some merchandise being destroyed by CB is a moot point, and was only a response to part of my original query.

I beg to differ both you and Chris scoffed at the idea that CB had done any destruction at all. Like I said all of this was a series of stories started after the collapse of CB. The mere existence of this thread shows there is still a lot of confusion as to the legality of some CB material, and conflicting information as to what was the ultimate fate of all of it.

How is it false? Even one year is too much time. With the collapse of CB there was nobody physically to verify or audit CB material. Those little CB certifications had a one year life span which has long since expired. True PR with the help of Gretchen at DTE is trying to set up a new auditing system, I haven't heard if that is even up and running yet. Unless there is a new system for auditing in place there is no way to confirm any CB product currently.

It is false because it is factually incorrect. Check your facts. I'm not going to do it for you.

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Factually since the collapse of CB there has been no way to renew or confirm the certification of any CB product. The lack of a certification system being in place has been the primary driver in setting up a new auditing system, by PR with the help of DTE. As far as I know that is still being worked on and auditors being trained by Gretchen. At least that is the last update I have seen.

The whole Digitrax/Chartbuster thing is nothing but a scam. Let's say that you are a company that is ordered to destroy your very valuable inventory by a particular date. The day before that date, you sell your entire inventory to your "brother-in-law" and hold back a small percentage of your inventory to use in a video to make it look like you destroyed your inventory...like you were ordered to by the court.

Shortly after company A's supposed demise, a new company opens up with many of the same employees as company A. They start making new product that looks eerily similar to the product made by companmy A. The only difference seems to be the splash screen at the beginning of each track and a splash screen at the end of the track proclaiming that these new tracks are being made by and for the new Company and they are not affiliated with company A in any way.

Then a few months go by and all of a sudden, company B starts adding company A's copyright splash screen to the end of their new products.

LUCYYYYYYYYY! You got some explainin' to do.

Have a nice day. This story has been brought to you by the letters C and B.

Lone Ranger, the original statement that I identified as false does not support your last statement (post) regarding the same issue.

Check your facts.

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The statement is not blatantly false, since the demise of CB all pretense of any type of certification or verification system went with the company. The hosts that obtained CB certification can show goodwill by producing this document. Practically speaking in the real world it has no value. On the certificates themselves there is a time limit of one year. To my understanding the same one year time limit was on the 12,000 HD. With the collapse even the one year is in question since CB is no longer around.

Does anybody have a link that shows the court order for Chartbusters to destroy their inventory? Which case was it in association with?

I didn't scoff at any such thing. I said that I did not hear ANYTHING about this.

And the fact that YOU have ONLY stated quotes from other people's OPINIONS and not stated anything of FACT, leads to even more confusion.

In regard to the ultimate fate of it all, why is that your concern? You're getting out of the business in 7 days. If your concern about all of this is so that you can warn other KJs to be careful, you need to know all of your FACTS before advising others on what to do. So far, all you have displayed is OPINIONS and CONJECTURES.

And did you ever attempt to communicate directly with DT or Gretchen to find out if there was any more information on how the Audit Program was progressing, or are you just going by one of Gretchen's last post on this subject (which was made on September 9, 2013 (in this Forum))? My GUESS (also known as SPECULATION) is, since you are not Certified, and have no intention of becoming Certified, you don't feel the need to contact the source directly to find out. It's just easier for you to ASSUME... And you know what that means when you A$$ U ME.

According to Gretchen, the 12000+ Drive is still valid.

So you are once again.....wrong.

-Chris

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