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Kuelman1
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Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:55 pm |
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Wow this post sure took a wrong turn.
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BruceFan4Life
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Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:24 pm |
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It seems that Sound Choice has been in a downward spiral for quite some time now and without any input from Mr. Staley on this Forum. It's a shame that people have to pick on people when they aren't allowed to defend themselves. So very courageous!
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kjmann
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Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:38 pm |
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johnreynolds wrote: . I knew Chips (@$%!) would show up eventually. BTW, if the Deniro comment (and it's spelled De Niro, you Di#k Head) was to take a shot at my name and possibly my race, then you failed miserably.
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Lonman
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 2:17 am |
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Sorry Sal, johnreynolds is not Chip posting as an alias. Happy Holidays to you as well, no, Merry Christmas, i'm not politaically correct...!
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The Lone Ranger
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:49 am |
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SoundKeg wrote: Lone Ranger, I am curious , over the years with all of the karaoke manufactures who have never licensed their songs or even tried to to any degree. You seem to have a high disdain for a company that did in fact pay royalties. Are you okay with the part of your library where the companies never tried? If so then I really do not see where you have anything to say...
Plus if you did not purchase your library through manufacturers or distributors, you know it's only a matter of time before the third party lawyers that bring these suits for the publisher's turn their attention to the host. And I imagine the host that can't show that they at least thought they purchased there product by legitimate means.........well lets just say I can't wait to see your post when that happens.............. I'm retired now my library was my hobby before I started hosting more than 19 years ago. I paid in good faith for all my material, mostly at little mom and pop stores that used to exist, but which now have pretty much vanished. When I started buying piracy was not an issue. It is only since the economic downturn that this problem has been really addressed. Even the current litigating manus did nothing until they were forced to and by then It was too late. When you say a company that paid some of it's royalties vs one that paid none, does that really make a difference. I thought the host that paid for part of their library and pirated the rest was just as bad as a full blown pirate. There is always the chance the full pirated who started from the beginning, didn't know about the copyright laws. The host that decides like the company to cut corners, knows about the rules, they just decided to ignore them. The position of most hosts is since they paid for their product in good faith, they are not going to remove any tracks unless someone tells them they have to. So far only two litigating manus have made removal of their tracks an issue SC and CB. Since I no longer perform in public, my library has gone from commercial to private. From my understanding many illegal HD's are in private collections and the home user abuser will not be bothered. The bulk of the theft is the home user for both karaoke and regular audio tracks. So really the parade has passed me by. If one of the manus were to sue me what are they going to demand I quit, I already have.
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The Lone Ranger
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:05 am |
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HarringtonLaw wrote: doowhatchulike wrote: HarringtonLaw wrote: I haven't disclosed anything that's not already public information.
KTS did not want to settle, which is why I said that the insurance company settled. Those are the breaks.
LR, your comments have earned you an "ignore." You've decided that when you don't have facts, you'll just make them up. I don't have time to try to keep up with your imagination. Sorry if I am being redundant AND repetitive ( ), but does it actually say somewhere in the available court documents that "KTS did not want to settle"? Yes. They filed a motion to that effect, to try to prevent the insurance company from settling. They filed sorry, for the misread, still that doesn't change the fact that they could not prevent the insurance company from settling. This does hurt SC's case since KTS is merely the distributor of the material and SC the original source of the material.
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The Lone Ranger
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:26 am |
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SoundKeg wrote: Wow, Lone Ranger, I believe you just displayed how biased you are. Couldn't it be that if Sound Choice wins that it shows that they did license things in a legal manner? But I don't see you throwing that scenario out there. If a host were accused of the same infraction would you be so supportive? Wouldn't the mere fact they were charged incline you to think there must be something to the case. Some hosts place a great deal of faith in the fact that SC investigates a host and venue closely before they file a suit. You don't think EMI closely investigated SC before they named them in a civil suit? They have more money, and the ability to build a solid case. If the case were not strong KTS's insurance company would not have insisted on settling the matter before a decision was rendered. You have to remember KTS's were merely distributors of the product, the actual producer is SC and their liability and penalties will be greater. If the case were weak EMI would not have amended the charges and expanded the original complaint. When you talk about my bias and hatred of SC, isn't the flip side of that coin the bias and hatred of others directed a hosts that are pirates and ones merely accused of being a pirate. You cannot take the splinter from your brothers eye before you remove the beam from your own. If we are ever to come to grips with the issue of piracy we have to turn down the rhetoric and try to come up with a workable solution to the problem. Other wise there will be no end to this civil litigation, something lawyers just love.
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timberlea
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:41 am |
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"You filed a motion Jim to prevent KTS's insurance company from settling? You are not representing KTS, oh that's right if they settle that weakens your case."
Really? Is you're reading comprehension that bad?
"If a host were accused of the same infraction would you be so supportive? Wouldn't the mere fact they were charged incline you to think there must be something to the case."
Why would one think that. If that were true, then why bother with courts?
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The Lone Ranger
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:43 am |
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HarringtonLaw wrote: KaraokeJerry wrote: I so much enjoyed November, when you weren't posting. When you're doing stuff just to get a rise out of your "opponents," it's no fun for those of us who are trying to find out what's going on. I think I've been very straightforward in answering questions on this site, when asked. If I can't comment, I say so. So I really don't understand why LR thinks the best way to deal with his lack of information is to make up something in order to force me to "correct the record," instead of simply asking questions. Well, I understand it. It's because he has a lot of hate in his heart for SC, and what he is doing is what Nixon's CREEP (Committee to Re-Elect the President) used to call "ratf---ing." It doesn't have to be true, in fact it's better if it isn't true, because the purpose is to misinform, not enlighten. It would do me no good Jim to ask you questions, you would only answer the ones you choose to, you would spin the answer. If the information was negative or put your client in a bad light, you would hide behind client attorney shield and say you cannot comment of pending litigation. In other words unless a person does ask probing questions and throw out things you have to refute, there would be only your version of the current situation.
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The Lone Ranger
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:48 am |
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timberlea wrote: "You filed a motion Jim to prevent KTS's insurance company from settling? You are not representing KTS, oh that's right if they settle that weakens your case."
Really? Is you're reading comprehension that bad?
"If a host were accused of the same infraction would you be so supportive? Wouldn't the mere fact they were charged incline you to think there must be something to the case."
Why would one think that. If that were true, then why bother with courts? Tim you know and I know you can be tried in the court of public opinion and the court outcome means little. Look at the case of O.J. Simpson he was found not guilty, but the public didn't buy it did they? In a perfect world if you are declared innocent that should be the end of it, that never happens in the real world.
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johnreynolds
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:28 am |
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kjmann wrote: BTW, if the Deniro comment (and it's spelled De Niro, you Di#k Head) was to take a shot at my name and possibly my race, then you failed miserably. It's quite obvious i DIDn'T fail tough guy... DE NIRO..duh! You kinda stepped into that one! ! aww....fuggetaboutit Sally....capische? Btw Chip was a goodfella....
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Cueball
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:49 am |
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The Lone Ranger wrote: It would do me no good Jim to ask you questions, you would only answer the ones you choose to, you would spin the answer... ...In other words unless a person does ask probing questions and throw out things you have to refute, there would be only your version of the current situation. Hello Pot....
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timberlea
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:50 am |
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And the Goodfellas were criminals.
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chrisavis
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:03 am |
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johnreynolds - He may have contributed something long ago, but whatever legacy that may have once been has been overshadowed by his unrelenting anger towards various aspects of the karaoke industry. I can only form an opinion about him based on the last two or so years that I have interacted with him and that just hasn't painted a pretty picture at all.
Nelson Mandela was responsible for some pretty ugly stuff in his early life. But the last half of his life was spent doing some pretty awesome things that more than made up for past transgressions. How do you think Mandela would be perceived if the timeline was flipped? What if he started off with the good and ended with the bad?
"He who shall not be named" has, in my opinion, very sadly wiped out any good he has done with all of the negativity he exudes now.
But you bring up a great point.
What were/are some of his notable contributions to the greater good of karaoke? I have heard this before, but I have only found a few mediocre examples - Some Posters? (ever Googled "karaoke poster" there are literally thousands of these out there. EVERYONE creates these things) Some free song book software? (that crashes every time I have ever tried to test it including just moments ago) Some Kiosk software? (that I have never seen in use anywhere and rarely gets mentioned any longer when that topic comes up).
I am not saying this to be mean. I think it is cool that a real KJ created these things. But the good works have long since been overshadowed by his seething disdain for Sound Choice and the Sleps.
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kjmann
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The Lone Ranger
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:31 am |
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cueball wrote: The Lone Ranger wrote: It would do me no good Jim to ask you questions, you would only answer the ones you choose to, you would spin the answer... ...In other words unless a person does ask probing questions and throw out things you have to refute, there would be only your version of the current situation. Hello Pot.... Sorry cue I thought we were supposed to follow SC's example, do as I say not as I do.
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The Lone Ranger
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:43 am |
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chrisavis wrote: johnreynolds - He may have contributed something long ago, but whatever legacy that may have once been has been overshadowed by his unrelenting anger towards various aspects of the karaoke industry. I can only form an opinion about him based on the last two or so years that I have interacted with him and that just hasn't painted a pretty picture at all.
Nelson Mandela was responsible for some pretty ugly stuff in his early life. But the last half of his life was spent doing some pretty awesome things that more than made up for past transgressions. How do you think Mandela would be perceived if the timeline was flipped? What if he started off with the good and ended with the bad?
"He who shall not be named" has, in my opinion, very sadly wiped out any good he has done with all of the negativity he exudes now.
But you bring up a great point.
What were/are some of his notable contributions to the greater good of karaoke? I have heard this before, but I have only found a few mediocre examples - Some Posters? (ever Googled "karaoke poster" there are literally thousands of these out there. EVERYONE creates these things) Some free song book software? (that crashes every time I have ever tried to test it including just moments ago) Some Kiosk software? (that I have never seen in use anywhere and rarely gets mentioned any longer when that topic comes up).
I am not saying this to be mean. I think it is cool that a real KJ created these things. But the good works have long since been overshadowed by his seething disdain for Sound Choice and the Sleps.
-Chris Chris no one has the market cornered on hate and anger. There is enough to go around many times over on both sides of karaoke piracy issue.
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SoundKeg
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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:50 am |
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Lone Ranger, firstly when you were in business it sounds like you did things the right way. Secondly on the comment about EMI investigating SC before filing suit, go back and look at the history of suits in the industry that involve publishers vs distributor's and such, I think you will see a common thread..........
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chrisavis wrote: ............(blah, blah, blah).............. I am not saying this to be mean. ........ -Chris Yeah, right. Your seething hatred is showing and beginning to wipe out whatever good you may have done in the last two years. c. staley wrote: :clapper: Ooops!... Now that's going to leave a mark! Oh, Happy Dance! Happy Dance! Bright blessings and I'll lite a blue candle for you!
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