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But if SC is sued into vapor they won't exist as an entity and there will be no one to enforce the lease, or to continue to defend the trademark, which would make the gem available to duplicate and value drops to 0.

Or, as the other scums have done, "assests" sold to another "entity" before the door is busted down. And that company starts over new with none of the prior baggage.

GEMs can in fact be transferred to another party with notification to Sound Choice.

-Chris

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The Gem Sets are transferrable (with permission from Sound Choice), the ownership of the Gem set is not.

A Gem set purchaser by their own agreement does not own the Gem set they purchase.
Therefore, it can be recalled.
Since the Gem set was not sold with a transfer of ownership to anyone, Sound Choice still owns all of the Gem Sets and if Sound Choice should lose the right to own them so does everyone else.

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Gems can not in fact be transferred to another party with notification to Sound Choice.

Gems can in fact only be transferred to another party with permission and approval from Sound Choice.

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I'll add that to the list of FUD I've been hearing for four years.

I'll guarantee this. I will be the first to let you know when the Karaoke police knock on my door demanding I turn over my GEM set.

Thus, they ARE transferable.

Sometimes people can not get the gist of a statement.

Gems can in fact only be transferred to another party with permission and approval from Sound Choice (which requires notifying Sound Choice)



-Chris

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GIST is often a difficult thing to convey in person, much less Ina written forum. My partner has heard this from me more than they want to admit. Don't say, "You know what I meant" to me, because more often than not, the reply will be, "No I don't--I only know what you SAID"...

There is a difference between transferring possession and transferring ownership.
Where the Gems are concerned, ownership is not transferable.


Which is apparently the case with you guys, because I have never stated or implied that the license was not transferable yet you are both quoting me out of context and commenting as if I had.

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IF transferable, it would still only be the use, not the ownership. The product can still be recalled if that ends up being a requirement ( completely possible) IF the case doesn't go SC's way- as well as the rest of us getting screwed on other levels. SO either the original user gets screwed, or screws whoever gets the set next....and I wonder what does the original user do with the tracks on their hard drive?

There's a separate question for you: Say the GEMS get recalled- no original discs in possession- what will the users do with those shifted tracks? GEM users, you laid out $3,000.00, and in many cases more, which- believe me- you will NEVER get back. What WOULD you do?

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Is It true Joe that the $3,000.00 will never be recovered? The last year I did karaoke professionally I grossed over 40,000.00 with a reduced work load. It would seem that a host if he is working would recoup the initial cost of the license fee, that is really what you are paying for. Not the product itself but the right to use the product and be able to put it on the PC. If licensing the GEM series is a cost of doing business, then like my set of DK I paid $1,000.00 for after the initial cost is covered the rest would be rolled into the profit wouldn't it? The only thing you don't have is physical ownership of the product that can be recalled. That is why it might make more sense to license GEM on the installment plan until the court problems are resolved. It would be easier to recoup the initial cost on a monthly basis, and if the product is recalled, just stop making the payments, since you no longer have access to the product.

Be glad your not a worm.

Just today because of demand of my services, I ordered my second set of Gems. Now some might find no reason on earth to lease them, I personally know the initial cost will be recovered and on going revenue will be generated from their use. I will now be able to provide to my KJ the product that his singers are asking (demanding since we replaced the former KJ that used a downloaded hard drive containing bootleg SC product aka "pirate").
If down the road the Gems become unusable (at this point only speculation and for some hopes and dreams) I will simply adjust my business model and songlist offering as I see fit. But for now, the additional lease is a great business decision for me (in my business plan I can tell you to the date when the purchase will be paid for if the current trend continues for me). If you keep good books the lease is tax deductible and who can argue with that. Have a great day and I am off to my Thursday night show!

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1) Wow. In the interest of clarity, I meant that you will never get it back from SC. Better?

2) I agree, but it doesn't go that way- want to hazard a guess why not?

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Well, that was mighty informative of you, Bazza.

I guess you can't answer:

A) I would delete all of the GEM tracks from my HD

OR:

B) I would continue using them even if I no longer possessed the discs.

I guess I made the question too difficult?

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......If down the road the Gems become unusable (at this point only speculation and for some hopes and dreams) I will simply adjust my business model and songlist offering as I see fit. [/quote]


So, as I read it, you would delete the GEMS from your HD if a recall is requred ( which, as I have stated several times, is only a possibility.)

Thank you. Apparently my question WAS clear enough.

I also have no problem with at least part of your reasoning regarding a GEM lease- though I sure as hell wouldn't pay it all up front. If you believe that require GEMS to be successful, then by that logic you need them to stay in business, and have no choice but to lease them now.

All about perceived need, with which no one can argue...

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Which brings up an interesting question if SC is kaput who then would be checking to see GEM was deleted from HD's? Would the publishers get involved, or would we have another of these new manu created companies claiming the right to check the product? Wouldn't just fall into the freeware status zone in 5 years of non production like both SC and CB are in danger of doing. Like so many labels of the past have already fallen into to this same zone.

What if we are hit by a Meteor first! HMMM? Then what? What WOULD you do?

What if Karaoke is deemed an enemy of free speech? Haven't you heard?! OBAMA is already amassing troops and gathering ammunition to decree martial law to STOP KARAOKE. What WOULD you do?

GLOOM! DESPAIR! AGONY! Thanks Obama!