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I think you are being conservative rumbolt as to the total number of Kj's. At Summit number two the estimate was there were around 50,000 working hosts nationally a 10% increase from the previous Summit one estimate. True some of us have retired but there are always new hosts starting.

Guys I never want to pee on somebody's dream but the reality is:
1) The venues DON'T care - they still hire KJs who are still in court battles with SC

2) The singers DON'T care - they just want to sing their songs on a decent sound system

3) The karaoke producers (with a couple of exceptions) DON'T care - they continue to sell to the home market, which feeds the majority of the piracy.

4) The local police, FBI and legislators DON'T care - they have enough real crime to deal with and unless there is real money pushing the politicians they are not going to write laws favoring such a small, special interest group.

5) The legal KJs DO care - but that too seems to be an even smaller universe of the total. Until the others mentioned above start to care, nothing will happen. There is no incentive for the other parties to get aboard the train.

unfortunately all true. However nothing worth having is ever going to be easy. It will require serious effort.

The best way to guaruntee failure of a goal is to do absolutely nothing and not try. So if enough people put in the effort, there is at least a chance of success, which is better than nothing.

I have always maintained, that until things get better in the US and Canada get better, karaoke is just going to continue to get worse and worse.

If you care about the karaoke industry, people owe it to themselves to at least try.

As the saying goes "Shoot for the moon, even if you fail you will land amung the stars"

-James

My point exactly, the number of host in the real world out weighs the number of people that post, troll, or "chase" on this forum.

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I agree with all the above and it all reflects as to the culture we live in. Maybe it is time to change the culture. Gotta start somewhere.

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The association #1 is not interested in the business of legal or illegal and never should be nor should it ever be pushed into one point of view. However a little thing said earlier is the internet is full of non-truthful actions. Here are some legal facts:

As long as Karaoke Host keep on the same route then yes the labels will continue to lead the industry and the laws that govern it. And as long as the labels continue on the same route wouldn't the same outcome of little action continue to happen.

People seem to forget that the recording industry went through this same process and issues as far as lawsuits, although they continue in extreme instances to pursue piracy Instead they now contact ISP to lower download speeds under law when the ISP notice an issue with the upload and download extremes and have stricter recording industry laws.

Just as the record industry eventually it did catch attention after all the Civil lawsuits and ended in criminal arrest.

Also the government actually established an agency to handle anti-piracy outside of the current organizations (http://www.iprcenter.gov/). Most enforcement currently under investigation is hard drive transferring and their have been arrest in that area for Karaoke.

In addition what we must also look at is Copyright and Trademark issues are not just a Civil issue it can be charged criminally if a US prosecutor wishes to pursue

Billy,

While I applaud your efforts, the karaoke labels themselves are uninterested in criminal prosecution for theft of their content. They have taken the route of civil litigation (financial settlements) instead. Now, no matter which side of that argument you reside on, it doesn't change the fact that no one is doing jail time, no one is losing equipment, vehicles, etc. There aren't even any fines worth discussing, it's a tool to drive sales of their old stock.

I know we both are familiar with more than one KJ in the Triangle who was caught red-handed with illegal content, filed against and obtained lawyers to fight Sound Choice, which to this time, has resulted in no punishment to them. As a matter of face, they all continue to work multiple nights in multiple venues, taking the gigs away from folks who purchase their music. And this is going on THREE YEARS since they were caught.

As I said earlier, there has to be a lobbying effort with real money being spent to support politicians who are the only ones who can change the current situation. Then again, who will police it once it is passed? I pay for my DJ music through Prime Cuts, and I have since I started my business, but I see DJs regularly advertise extensive libraries of music and you know a 22 year old DJ hasn't paid for 90,000 songs. Who cares? Nobody. And it's much more widespread in the DJ side than in the karaoke side.

So if an association of KJs can get off the ground, they'd better be ready to make major financial contributions to bring about any change to the industry in the U.S.

How do you see the organization bringing change to the industry? What form would it take?

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Would you be kind enough to list the labels that are your top priority for liason?

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The publishing companies took a huge black eye for their lawsuits in the early days of P2P.

Hey I'm going to the Mobile Beat DJ Show in Vegas on Feb 3-6th to help out DJ Trivia with their exhibit booth. Any DJ friends who'll be there please stop by and see me and find out how you can offer this unique product in your market. It's worth the time to investigate. This is not a sales solicitation as I make nothing from referring others.

I'll try and stop by the National Karaoke Association booth and see what they have to say. I'm sure they'll be others here who do this as well, so maybe we can report our
combined opinions.