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That still leaves the issue of reliability full PC computers karaoke systems have a tendency to crash, some as many as several times a year. Stack that up to no serious operational issues in nine years.

Earthling, I'm glad you added the exception or I would have been all over you on your post. I am 63 and far from technically challenged. I purchased a JB99 in 2000 and spent 6 months loading my 1066 cd's, that I had at the time, into it. Believe me you could not be technically ignorant if you were able to load a CAVS JB99 unit with your music. It used Dr.Dos OS and the hard drive could not be directly hooked up to another computer via IDE cable. You could not drag and drop, and the file naming was very rigid in order to get the songs to be recognized.

It was very simple to use, since there was nothing to do when someone was singing but wait for the song to end and punch in the next 5 digit song number. Your knowledge and over simplification is very offensive. Adding new music was a huge chore, and the "screen refresh" was ultimately why I sold my unit to a home karaoke enthusiast. I used it for 6 years, but it never let me down for even 1 second.

I worked as an industrial engineer for 2 different capacitor manufacturers, Hilton, and Mallory, and I have been working with computers since the mid 70's. I purchased my JB99 because of it's simplicity of use. As and industrial engineer I performed hundreds of "time and motion studies" and I wanted something that freed up the most amount of time during my shows. The JB99 did that. I had tried Winamp, and I was a beta tester with MTU in 1999, but I didn't like MTU's clunky interface and Winamp had way too many bugs.

I came on the forum in 2008 after the purchase of my first laptop. I was concerned about the legality of its use, but wanted to use it (laptop) because I had purchased several hundred cd's. I had given up on adding them to the JB99 a year earlier. It wasn't using the JB99 that made me abandon it, it was "feeding it" , and the "refresh rate" that made me abandon it. Up until I went with my laptop I would bring all of my cd's with me to all my shows, for a show of proof that I owned my music, but after I added about 800 new cd's to my computer I didn't want to haul around almost 2000 cd's anymore.

I rank myself with those that I consider "very knowledgeable" in the karaoke world.

PS Don't get me wrong I would never go back to a CAVS type unit ever again

Yet another logical fallacy. This one is known as a "Generalization from fictional evidence".

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Logical_fallacy

I am beginning to agree with Chris on your mental faculties.

Actually Bazza Lonnie stated in one of his posts his PC crashed 5 times last year. While it was no big deal according to him that is still 5 times more than my magic box over a nine year period. I also wonder exactly where you guys are coming from sometimes, then I get snapped back to reality on the few times we are actually in agreement.

Back to the OP -

What are the numbers so far? Of the masses of KJ's out there, how many are using "Hard Drive Player (Jukebox) systems?

I count - 0 - (since you are retired)

-Chris

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Actually i know of 2 locally Chris, that use a cavs 203usb with their music on an external hard drive.

Excellent post Mrmarog! Very True. Cavs is a pain in the butt to load and maintain. That is exactly WHY i changed over to a laptop long ago. Will not ever go back again either.

most of the kjs in my area are still disc based and even use pioneer laserdiscs!

Boy, you are just full of bad logic this week. This failure is known as the "One Single Proof" fallacy. Dismissing all evidence in favor of a single "smoking gun".

Lons computer crashing does not equal all "PC computers karaoke systems have a tendency to crash".
Just as you making crazy claims does not mean that all elderly people are senile.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/One_single_proof

I also had DISC players that quit working on me too (or would start to exhibit problems) - it's an electronic piece of gear that will eventually exhibit problems. Just because it's a computer or anything else doesn't make it infallible. I LOVE how you take one incident and lump EVERY computer user into the same category to try to back YOUR warped thought process. The 5 times last year was over a 1 month period, I also said it was fixed and hasn't exhibited any problems since - it was traced to a video card as the culprit, replaced & hasn't crashed since. Had nothing to do with the software or anything else. I was able to fix it myself in a matter of minutes once I tracked down the problem.
Still call BS on your 9 year perfect run! Sorry, do NOT believe you never ever had ONE issue, yes I am flat out calling you out on it!

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Actually, technically speaking, my computer has NEVER crashed in about 7+ years of being computer based. I would venture to say that when other hosts say their "computer crashed," they are actually talking about their hosting software.

Compuhost crashes on me occationally (maybe 6-8 times last times a year), but never during a performance, and since I play filler music, the extent of me fixing a crashed CompuHost is closing the program and restarting it, and because of the filler, the crowd is none-the-wiser

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"it was traced to a video card as the culprit, replaced & hasn't crashed since. "
Try that with a Cavs and their proprietary hardware.

I have also had CD players die, and I even had two different csvs units die in one night, but my laptops are doing just fine. 7 years now wav format rips (higher quality than Cavs imports) easy import, easy access, etc.
Chris may be on to something....

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The truth will set you free Lonnie. Maybe I was lucky I don't know but my U-Best player notice I don't say CAVS machine has never failed on me in nine years of professional hosting. The ten before that were disc based. Like I said I had a Panasonic color T.V. that worked for 25 years before it imploded, but then it really only had one function.

Based on the reading of your postings here, I view you the same way.
It was not my intention to offend, I was referring strictly to those whom I have had personal experience. One of which had purchased the machine less than eighteen months ago. Prior to that purchase this KJ had absolutely no interest in computers for the reasons I stated. That KJ ran a well organized and tight rotation when slinging discs; things are different now. I suspect it wouldn't be any better had they chosen to go the computer route because some folks just aren't wired for electronic gadgetry.

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I don't see what the big deal is so some hosts use the full PC and others use the less sophisticated machine, and some still use discs. As long as they are producing a quality show that is successful does it really matter how they are doing it? Much like the example of the M-16 v.s. AK-47, they are both anti personnel weapons, that is their function, both are equally deadly. I was more curious as to the number of full PC users as opposed to the others. It would appear that indeed at least this forum is dominated by the full PC users.

Thank you for the reply. Generalizing can get one in trouble on occasion.
Ps I was exclusively in the tantalum dry and wet slug development and production division in Green Castle and Indianapolis. Joe C is quite familiar with the product as well.

LR, you're the one making a big deal out of it by bringing this and other crap up all the time and then get defensive when most of us disagree with you.

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Oh and the rest of you don't get testy when someone disagrees with you, really tim?

I would reply but you can't argue against stupid and dense.

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It's getting RIDICULOUS in here!

TOO MANY personal attacks from members AND mods (?) ON member Lone Ranger.

Despite if you don't agree with him,,why badger and offend him constantly when YOU ALL KNOW it's wrong, as well as, against the forum rules? The occasional outburst okay i suppose, but it's getting to the point of being bullying. Not cool

CHRIS A. and LONMAN (MOD) who have decent influence on this forum are seemingly turning others against LR with their insults and "likes" on the badgering. Nice post btw TIM

WHETHER OR NOT you agree with someone's opinion or not, try to understand and respect the perspective, help shape it differently, or simply IGNORE IT.

I'm sure LR has some good information out of his MANY YEARS (more then most here) and can be a valuble source of information given the opportunity.

YES He seemingly goes ON AND ON AND ON on some things, but i believe he is just trying to find some truth in his opinions and IS NOT trying to piss anyone off or offend anyone.

He DOESN'T return the name-calling does he? Or show ANGER towards anyone here. He even replies to you by NAME.

Take the HIGH ROAD guys and stop acting like little bullying children

BTW Chris Avis, joking about or being insensitive or accusing someone of having mental health issues or declining mental health is WRONG on so many levels. WHERE are your ethics and morals these days????

JD TOO???????

Sorry, but some people just need to be told whether you like it or not. I am all for debate but not for uninformed, misinformed, and downright lies posing as debate.

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