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 Post subject: Re: Justify this....
PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 9:17 am 
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rickgood wrote:
I think the most relevant issue is that the legal authorities don't care about karaoke piracy. Try going down to your local police station and reporting that the host up the street is using pirated karaoke tracks, I'll probably be able to hear their burst of laughter from where i live. Also, the remaining active producers of karaoke content don't care enough to pursue it either. The only folks who care are the hosts that feel it creates an unlevel playing field for them and the two producers who have been forced out of the production business and into the lawsuit business.

I have said this more than once, until you make the penalty unbearable, piracy will continue. Take pirate's equipment, cars, houses, etc.and the word will get out pretty quickly. The strategy of making them buy your product when you catch them is not really a deterent, as we all can see. I moved from Raleigh, NC to Myrtle Beach, SC last fall. There are probably 3 times as many karaoke shows here because it's a popular entertainment option in a resort area. You'd be stunned at the number of KJs who advertise that they have more than 200,000 songs. Not my problem because they are not my direct competition but they continue to flourish here.


8) What does that say rick about the importance of this question of piracy? Society minimizes it, but not only society, the victims themselves. Only two producers have tried the legal process approach and they have not sought criminal charges or penalties. They have instead elected to go the civil suit route. You also have to ask yourself what are the actual damages to the producer, the answer the fair retail value of the product. That is the extent of their damages per defendant. That is why you get the cookie cutter $5,000.00 settlements in California, and the fair retail award in Panama City. That is why probably other still viable producers have not bothered, it is not worth their time. What the two suing producers are hoping is that they will cause enough of a stir for hosts to voluntarily line up to license or subscribe to their respective products, this hasn't happened yet.

To get the type of penalties you want imposed you would have to elevate the lowly KJ pirate host to the level of the Mob or Organized crime. You might be able to do that with the HD producers but I think you would have a difficult time with small pirate KJ operations. I don't know if you could get civil RICO applied to such little operations. The only time recently I have heard of civil RICO being invoked with karaoke is when CAVS amended it's original complaint against SC. Of course that was all settled by the out of court settlement reached where SC had to pay off CAVS.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 5:38 pm 
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chrisavis wrote:
It has been interesting to see the justifications for stealing someone else's property in this thread. The usual suspects were predictably in favor of justifying that is somehow okay. Others kind of surprised me.

It is unsettling to know how many people will simply feel it is okay to take and use something without feeling any accountability to compensate the person that put their time and energy into creating something.

Makes me wonder how many of those same folks would feel if someone camped out in their back yard or spare bedroom or used their car or credit cards without their permission. I mean, I just want to check out your credit to see how good it is, or what it is like, or how much I could buy. I don't mean any real harm, but since it is easy enough to do, why not?

It is super easy to justify things when they have zero material impact on you personally. I think it takes a bigger, more in touch person to stand up for others.


Unsettling to you and an issue for most here but, in the end, those numbers are a huge minority. And we are not talking about camping out in someone's back yard or spare bedroom. We are not talking about using someone else's credit card. Just because you place the same level of value on stealing tracks as you would someone camping out in your back yard does not mean the overwhelming populous feels the same way. That overwhelming majority includes prosecutors, judges and law enforcement. Not all, of course, but I would bet money that the percentage of prosecutors with stolen media wouldn't be much different than the general population. Again, it is a cultural thing that will be next to impossible to change so you deal with it, find innovative ways to make buying easier than stealing and move on.

And just because some here are not ok with piracy but understand the entirety of the situation doesn't mean our positions are "unsettling". I simply choose not to let the reality of piracy consume any of my emotion.


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