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Sorry Jim, I didn't go far enough. What I meant, that regardless of whether the purchaser knew the goods were stolen or not, the item gets confiscated and disposed.

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I'm not disputing the legalities of the SCDG. I just was asking how that was derived from the quote you took of DMX Karaoke, when he was just referring to DK Karaoke being available on Karaoke Cloud. The reference to DK and Karaoke Cloud was just in regard to Karaoke Cloud making DK available in a downloaded format. DMX never said that Karaoke Cloud was making SCDGs available (by DK or any other Manufacturer)

Now, when you are referring to SCDGs, are you referring to all of them or just the ones made with DK product. I'm almost certain that other brands out there were made legally.

I was just making the comment regarding DK SCDG only. Per their (DK's) statement according to DMX's findings, anything other than original pressed CDG of their is illegal - which would include any DK on SCDG format as well as the downloads being discussed. Don't read too much into it, wasn't implying they were selling or offering or anything in scdg. Just a conclusion based on the original cdg comment that would lump the DK scdg into the same category as downloads as far as legalities.

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As far as tricerasoft is concerned. The karaoke manufacturers are getting paid *confirmed this myself*, the artists are getting paid *PRO fees* and if tricerasoft is paying licensing fees, then the publishers are getting paid.

No one is getting screwed over, so I will continue to use my downloads until someone in authority tells me i can't

My conscience is clean

-James

Sure would like to see a link to ANY licensing documentation for that usage. Hell, I'd like it even better if I could see it for my factory original discs....

That's the whole problem. I may have LIMITED my liability by being OMD, but no host is completely free and clear..... Anything is possible with the awakened giants.....

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May be true or not that they are paying each publisher/artist on their own, but think about it, if they weren't paying, they sure wouldn't announce to anyone that they weren't - of course they are going to state they are if someone asks.

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Tricerasoft is just a distributor, like Ace Karaoke or the old Karaoke.com. The licensing is supposed to be paid by the manufacturers. I don't believe that the manufacturers AND the distributors have to pay separate license fees to the publishers.

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Tricerasoft is NOT JUST a distributor. If they were, they would only be selling the original CDGs that the music was first created on. They may be distributing music that was already produced by the likes of Sunfly, SBI, Music Maestro, Zoom, etc...); however, they are REDISTRIBUTING it in a downloaded format from THEIR SYSTEMS. That makes it new product.

A downloaded product that they got directly from Sunfly, SBI, Zoom, etc. They are distributing what those companies are selling them to distribute.

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Before I posted my comments earlier, I was at Tricerasoft's website. Using a fictitious name, I clicked on "Speak to a live agent". Here is a snip-it of the very simple transcript that took place.

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Off course they are going to say that. They would get fired if they actually told the truth.

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You have NO basis to say that, and no proof that those songs are illegal.

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There is too proof within this thread. I'm inclined to believe DMXkaraoke when he says that tricerasoft has stepped into hot water with the publishers. That indicates to me that I would be better off dealing in discs than downloads until the waters smooth over which may not happen.
I also find it hard to believe they are not making new product since they are selling Music Maestro tracks on their site. I bought one that was unusable because the rip was so bad the lyrics bled into the next frame of lyrics.
The cheerleaders, of which I am one, warned everyone on this site that foreign downloads were not legal in the usa for use in the bars and now we have a Canadian distributer who may or may not have gotten the right licenses to distribute within the USA along with an american distributer who may not have gotten the rights from DK themselves to distribute their product. I for one have ceased my usage of JustKaraoke's song store until definative proof, copies of the actual licenses that were drwn up to allow legal use in the USA.

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@ HarringtonLaw.... Based on this alone (and nothing else), could Alan still be sued for using Tricerasoft downloads at his show in a Public Venue? On what basis? Would he be able to use that conversation as a legal defense?

I am not going to go back to the days of wasting money on a disc just for one or two songs. I would much rather buy my downloads and just buy what I need when I need it. I would gladly buy all ASK downloads if they would make enough music to cover what I can get from Tricerasoft. I would buy from Karaoke Cloud, but after all this time they STILL don't offer sound samples. I won't buy what I can't listen to (Sorry Gretchen). So, that leaves Tricerasoft, SBI, Sunfly, who directs their customers to Tricerasoft, and Zoom. I have bought directly from Zoom. I use tricerasoft because I can buy credits, which makes purchasing a breeze. OH, BTW, I won't buy MM from ANYONE.

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Key point.
You need a licence from publishers to digitally distribute karaoke songs to the US market (and any other for that matter). Who does Tricera licence through? What organisation or collection society grants them rights to skirt the regulations put in place and enforced by untold number of lawsuits in the USA over the past 10 years?



Why?

Is this statement based on your opinion of the quality or the legality? I collected many of the MM discs (especially the Elvis) and recall their demise due to threat of litigation for selling unlicensed songs. It wasn't a lack of sales. The fact that Tricera claims to be able to sell these tracks raises the question again of through whom do they get their license? The simple chat statement saying that the songs are legal for the US isn't enough for me...

Perhaps Tricera will address these questions for everyone's benefit. I personally believe that digital distribution/custom discs is the way forward in this country. All Star seems to be doing it correctly and I thank Lonman for correcting my earlier observation that they were selling songs on the no fly list. He was right. The songs I saw were either not written by the artist or they had other clearance. It probably didn't help them that internal squabbles have had a serious impact on their business and they have yet to produce any new tracks as of late.

The limit to variety and access to as many new songs speaks more to the time consuming work that must be done to "clear" a new song in the US compared to the UK than anything else. The European producers have gotten their first wake up call regarding restricted writers and I doubt it will be the last.

Change is in the air fellas...and I am a positive person

You know, you are ridiculous.

I asked, and the company told me that their downloads are legal to use in the U.S. And I will continue to use them unless that's proven otherwise.

Now, let me just say something. You people are taking this way too far. Right now, we have no law, no standard governing karaoke and it's public use. Never have, probably never will.

Remember that guy, I think William was his name, a couple of months ago promised to clean up the karaoke industry. And you all believed in this new "savior". Remember that? Well, whatever happened to him? I did say he was all talk, didn't I.

Enter DMX Karaoke. They're trying to tell us that Tricersoft downloads are illegal and that they will be able to offer legal downloads in the U.S. And I'll believe it when I see it. And until Tricerasoft is ordered to cease and desist, there is no reason not to use them.

Now, I am probably the biggest advocate on piracy. It's plastered all over my website. But this here has nothing to do with piracy or stealing music. It's all speculation. No one is breaking the law because we have no laws regarding karaoke to break.

Danny, let me ask you a question. Have you ever gone in Walmart and asked yourself; "Gee, I wonder if everything they sell is legal. I wonder if everything they do is legal". Of course you don't Even though they've gotten in trouble for doing shady things, you never question the legality of the stuff they sell or there practices.

How about at the foreign car dealership. Would you go to a Nissan, Toyota, etc. dealer and say to yourself; I wonder if they paid all of the proper fees and import taxes for these cars they sell. No you don't do you. But how do you know buying from them, is completely legal? Do you think that every company you've ever done business with has always 100% complied with the law?

The point is, no one is going to give it a second thought. They're going to go to that store or online retailer and buy something and that's the end of it.

Lonnman brings up the DK millennium set. They're sold on Amazon. Now, not everybody comes here and reads the speculation like we do. So, how many people are going to stop and wonder if this is legal? And what about Chartbuster? Their whole Essential set was on SCDG with their approval until they pulled it. How many people bought the SCDG's when they were available.

These were sold and people bought them in good faith. I agree with you Smooth... keep using em. You did nothing wrong.

So back to Danny...

If you want to live your life in fear, believe the speculation, the hype, the lies... then you and your cronies go right ahead. But until we have real laws set in place governing karaoke and it's public use we have nothing.

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Please don't put words in my mouth mate. I made no such claims. I did say that I have made in depth inquiries into how we can sell our content in the US market with proper licensing. I am optimistic that at some point, we will and it will be as a result of following established licensing guidelines set forth.

I questioned Tricera's licensing being that they make no clear mention of it on their site and the fact that I was warned to stay clear of them by the very people who issue US licences. Take that for what it's worth - that's what I did.



I am guessing they have rights to sell to Canadian customers and they are simply doing the same thing that others in the UK have done. They not only make no attempt to block customers from outside their covered region, but they advertise to those customers. If you ask them if it's legal to sell to the US, they will say yes. Didn't Selectatrack do much the same thing before suddenly blocking the US customers from it's site?

So sure, use them if you want while you can if you are so inclined. Please remember, I am looking at this from the perspective of a supplier who wants to do things right in the eyes of the US publishers - not as a consumer of the content.

Of course. Why would a company that sells to hosts be stupid enough to say their product could not be used that way? I asked for a li k to ANY licensing document for such a usage, not what a company whose existance depends on said usage might post.

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Dupe post. Btw - I was posting the info on downloads well, before the cheerleaders - and was roundly razzed for it from both sides....

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