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This is 100% false.

If the pirates didn't exist at all, you may have more shows to run and thus more income. So it does affect you and me and every other legitimate host.

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Except if he was out of business because he's a scumbag thief, that may be more show opportunities for you because he wouldn't be in the game. Making you and your services more desirable and sought after.

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Unfortunately, theft will never go away I'm afraid. It will always emerge in some fashion or form. Retailers have always said there is a % added to the markup to cover losses. Even if a store never lost a single thing to theft, do you think their prices would go down? If LEO's could eradicated theft at every level possible, do you think our taxes would become lower and items would could less?

It's nice to think that way ... but I won't hold my breath.

You seriously think there isn't three waiting in the wings? All this is is shooting beebees at turtles.

You people need to realize SC isn't your Savior. Holes created by missing pirates are filled by other pirates or eliminated. Thus removing possibly income one way or an other. Doing the job right at a fair price will get you all the work you want, pirate bars or not.

You seriously think there isn't three waiting in the wings? All this is is shooting beebees at turtles.

You people need to realize SC isn't your Savior. Holes created by missing pirates are filled by other pirates or eliminated. Thus removing possibly income one way or an other. Doing the job right at a fair price will get you all the work you want, pirate bars or not.[/quote]
And with that comes knowing your area and what you can get away with charging. What somebody can get in Seattle is NOT what I can make in my area. It just doesn't work that way.

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Here is where you are wrong with your facts.
Norbert has no part of PRLLC. Give them a call if you believe me.

WDE is no longer owned in any part by Norbert. His part of the ownership was disolved at the demise of Chartbuster.

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I'm not talking about SC. I'm talking about piracy in general. If there was an organization that forced KJ's to 'pay to play' pretty much gauarantee'ing that all their music was legal, it would put a great impact into the pirate shows.

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And with that comes knowing your area and what you can get away with charging. What somebody can get in Seattle is NOT what I can make in my area. It just doesn't work that way.[/quote]Again, you're missing the point!

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Again, you're missing the point![/quote]No I'm not missing the point. YOU are. I charge $100 for weeknights. I charge no less than $150 for a weekend show. In my area, that is the best I can do. And it is NOT because of Pirates. It's because the economy hasn't come back yet. The bars don't have the business they used to have, because the patrons don't have the money they used to have. Many of the old patrons moved away because the job market is so bad. That means there are less people to fill the bars.

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Plaintiff
Worldwide Digital Entertainment, LLC is a Wyoming limited liability company with a principal place of business at
10840 Chapman Hwy, Seymour, Tennessee 37865
(With Mr, Stovall as a managing director)

Plaintiff Piracy Recovery, LLC is a Wyoming limited liability company with a principal place of business at
10840 Chapman Hwy, Seymour, Tennessee 37865
(With David Grimes as a managing director)

does that address sound familiar?... it should, there was something else there...
Big Mama's Karaoke Cafe
Address: 10840 Chapman Highway, Seymour Heights, TN 37865

but you're probably right, no connection.

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Smooth - I do understand what you are saying about rates. As I move from downtown Seattle to the more blue collar areas, it gets noticeably more difficult to get my rate. But I provide things that my competitors don't which is what I use to differentiate myself and justify my rates. If you are doing only the exact same thing that every other KJ does (legal or not) than you can only expect to be able to charge what everyone else does.

Do something different/more and get more people into the bars and then ask for a raise. That, in a nutshell, is all I have done.

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Doesn't that play on the old fear that other manus would acquire orphan brands so they would have standing to bring suits involving the former viable manus?

Why should that amaze you tim? If a cop was on the take and nobody cared to report it, legally that would mean everyone that knew about it was ok with the current situation. Silence indicates legally approval. I think it is proper for a host to be concerned about a company that acts differently from all the other companies that are supplying them product. You feel that no one should be questioning SC or their business practices? If I don't like what a company is doing, I have the option of not using their product, that is my business decision, nothing new or nefarious about that either. That doesn't stop other hosts for thinking that I'm a pirate or a pirate supporter, does it?

P.S. Is it any more amazing than a host that is in Canada getting so riled up about what is happening in the U.S., and it can't possibly effect him?

Piracy Recovery was not "created by Norbert."

Several years ago, Norbert's operation took on an investor that gained a security interest in the assets of the business. There was a default, and the investor foreclosed on the assets, which included the building in Seymour. Unsurprisingly, the new owner of the assets operates from that building. PR was formed after that foreclosure. Norbert never had any involvement with PR. Your statement is false.

Justia does not list the latest documents as the lawsuit progresses. I post to lawsuitdata merely to show the movement of the case. If one wants to buy documents, I recommend a PACER account.

Justia is good for searching the latest hits, and guess what- the hits keep coming! Pirates beware!

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Thanks rumbolt for your post. I will continue to report on the latest lawsuits for the readership.

My only real interest here at KS is reporting on piracy. This is why I post in the 'Karaoke Legalities & Piracy' forum. If people feel my posts on piracy are 'stale', perhaps they should stay out of this forum.

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That's why I really question if you are or ever were a real KJ host as you claim. You have never posted about your karaoke service. Never commented on other things that matter to hosts, rotations, music, equipment, etc etc etc. That is why I doubt you really are a host, maybe just Kurt in makeup.

That is what I PLAN on doing. I will prove myself to be a better service, THEN negotiate for more money. I hve to prove that I am worth it, first. I am in no rush. I know myself,and what i can provide. I the words of Triple H............"I am THAT DAMN GOOD!!"

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So then Jim the investor that gained a security interest in the assets of the business, is simply trying to recoup his or her investment? This is quite a different situation than the original injured manu trying to recoup losses. It is difficult enough for the original company to go the legal process recovery route. How much more difficult can it be for just a disgruntled investor? I thought tax wise investors could write off their loses. Isn't the person who accepted the investment, the company run by Norbert, the one who is responsible for paying back the investor? After all this was the entity that burrowed the money in the first place. If CB went into foreclosure wasn't the purpose to pay back the investors? Isn't that why there was a fire sale on CB products, to raise money to pay off the investors? Does this mean once the investment is recouped that will end PR's activities? After all that was the amount of their damages, and that is what they should be seeking in civil court, right? If there is no connection between the old company and the new, then when Norbert started his new company, shouldn't PR have sued him as well as KJ hosts, in order to recover for this investor? All this is, is some kind of company shell game, where CB can avoid it's debts in order to still try and use the legal process for recovery purposes.