KARAOKE SCENE MAGAZINE ONLINE! - How frequent is Key/Tempo change used? Public Forums Karaoke Discussions Karaoke Scene's Karaoke Forums Home | Contact Us | Site Map  

Karaoke Forums

Karaoke Scene Karaoke Forums

Karaoke Scene

   
  * Login
  * Register

  * FAQ
  * Search

Custom Search

Social Networks


premium-member

Offsite Links


It is currently Fri Jan 10, 2025 8:34 pm

All times are UTC - 8 hours





Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 38 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:52 am 
Offline
Novice Poster
Novice Poster
User avatar

Joined: Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:23 pm
Posts: 30
Location: Seattle, WA
Been Liked: 10 times
I have never used the Key Change or Tempo Change features while performing Karaoke, and I've never personally seen anyone use them. I'm wondering how often these are actually used in reality? I would love to hear from KJs and avid Singers who use this (which likely includes almost everyone in this forum!).

My reason for asking is, I often see software promoting the fact that it includes this feature, but in all my years of Karaoke, I have never experienced its use. (. . . or maybe I have, and just don't know it! lol)

-Mike


Top
 Profile Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 1:25 pm 
Offline
Super Extreme Poster
Super Extreme Poster
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 10, 2001 3:57 pm
Posts: 22978
Songs: 35
Images: 3
Location: Tacoma, WA
Been Liked: 2126 times
Some nights I can go without a key change the entire night. Other nights I am using it constantly. Nice thing about my software is it will store all singers key change (and tempo if I used that) so they just need to ask for their song & the key is already what they need it at. I do try to educate people if a song is too high or low for them to sing to try a different key. Many take the advice, others that don't give the reason - that is the key the song is written in and that is the key I shall do it in even if I can't hit it! lol. Makes me laugh everytime I hear that, even the real artists of the songs often will drop their own songs to do them live or as they get older to fit their voice because they cannot hit the highs they used to do.
As far as tempo I rarely use it.

_________________
LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
Image


Top
 Profile Personal album Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 1:28 pm 
Offline
Super Extreme Poster
Super Extreme Poster
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 10, 2001 3:57 pm
Posts: 22978
Songs: 35
Images: 3
Location: Tacoma, WA
Been Liked: 2126 times
mushmomike wrote:
My reason for asking is, I often see software promoting the fact that it includes this feature, but in all my years of Karaoke, I have never experienced its use. (. . . or maybe I have, and just don't know it! lol)

-Mike
Does your player or software have a key changer to start with? If so, do your customers know that it is even an option? I have key change up/down on my request slips so people know it's an option and it gets used LOTS.

_________________
LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
Image


Top
 Profile Personal album Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 1:33 pm 
Offline
Novice Poster
Novice Poster
User avatar

Joined: Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:23 pm
Posts: 30
Location: Seattle, WA
Been Liked: 10 times
Lonman wrote:
Does your player or software have a key changer to start with? If so, do your customers know that it is even an option? I have key change up/down on my request slips so people know it's an option and it gets used LOTS.


I wasn't speaking in reference to any software in particular. Most software does have it. Which software do you use? Thanks for the great feedback though! I'll have to try it myself sometime. Good tip to have that option included on the slips. If it's used often, people must already know what key they sing in for a given song. That's surprising!

_________________
~ Mike


Top
 Profile Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 1:50 pm 
Offline
Extreme Poster
Extreme Poster
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:13 pm
Posts: 3801
Images: 1
Location: Florida
Been Liked: 1612 times
Key change gets used with regularity at my shows too. I use key change about once a night.


Top
 Profile Personal album Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 1:51 pm 
Offline
Novice Poster
Novice Poster
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:43 am
Posts: 34
Been Liked: 25 times
Mushmomike,
When using SongbookDB Integrated with Hoster, the singer can select the Key they wish to sing in, +/- 5 and when it comes to Hoster from the Cell Phone App, it is in the key they selected. So then you as the Host do not have to do anything! :)



Bryan


Top
 Profile Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 1:55 pm 
Offline
Novice Poster
Novice Poster
User avatar

Joined: Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:23 pm
Posts: 30
Location: Seattle, WA
Been Liked: 10 times
bry21317 wrote:
Mushmomike,
When using SongbookDB Integrated with Hoster, the singer can select the Key they wish to sing in, +/- 5 and when it comes to Hoster from the Cell Phone App, it is in the key they selected. So then you as the Host do not have to do anything!


Thanks! I'm not interested in songbookdb, but the key/tempo modification feature itself. It sounds to me like it's definitely used often enough that it's an important feature to look for in any karaoke software.

_________________
~ Mike


Top
 Profile Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 2:00 pm 
Offline
Extreme Plus Poster
Extreme Plus Poster
User avatar

Joined: Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:38 pm
Posts: 6086
Images: 1
Location: Redmond, WA
Been Liked: 1665 times
I have never been asked to change the tempo, but I have done HyperKaraoke nights where we play sped up version just for fun.

Key change gets used regularly. Steve Perry can't sing his own songs and I can't sing most of them any longer myself. I find myself key changing songs I have performed for 20+ years. Beyond that I have a number of people that ask for the key to be changed across all the venues.

I think the key to the use of these features is letting customers know you can. Many singers don't know the key can be changed so they never think to ask for it.

_________________
-Chris


Top
 Profile Personal album Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 2:08 pm 
Offline
Super Extreme Poster
Super Extreme Poster
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 10, 2001 3:57 pm
Posts: 22978
Songs: 35
Images: 3
Location: Tacoma, WA
Been Liked: 2126 times
mushmomike wrote:
Lonman wrote:
Does your player or software have a key changer to start with? If so, do your customers know that it is even an option? I have key change up/down on my request slips so people know it's an option and it gets used LOTS.


I wasn't speaking in reference to any software in particular. Most software does have it. Which software do you use? Thanks for the great feedback though! I'll have to try it myself sometime. Good tip to have that option included on the slips. If it's used often, people must already know what key they sing in for a given song. That's surprising!
I was asking about the software because you stated you've never had anyone ask - just wondered if you had the ability to be able to have people ask. I use MTU Hoster personally.
It's not necessarily a know what key they sing in for a given song - it's more like that song is too high or too low can you raise or lower a notch or two. So if they already know a song is too high for their range, they will ask for the key drop.

_________________
LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
Image


Top
 Profile Personal album Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:26 pm 
Offline
Super Poster
Super Poster
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:50 pm
Posts: 897
Location: Cape Breton, Nova Scotia, Canada
Been Liked: 444 times
All of our "regulars" know that both key and tempo change is available... Most don't bother, but we have a few who tend to change key for many, if not most of their song choices. In fact, I have one singer whom I refer in my own mind to as "Down One"... He's just that predictable.

_________________
Earl
(BS, PHD & Certified CurmuDJeon)

[font=Times New Roman]"Growing Old may be mandatory... but growing UP is still optional."[/font]


Top
 Profile Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:07 pm 
Offline
Super Poster
Super Poster
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:01 am
Posts: 780
Images: 0
Location: Champaign IL
Been Liked: 180 times
If your singers know you offer it they will request a key change. almost always 1 or 2 down. I have never been asked to change the key up yet. I use MTU Hoster as well but have never used the tempo change. I have it listed on my request slips as well. And yes I consider it a valuable option. I would not use any software that did not offer it. I use it at least once or twice per show at a minimum.


Top
 Profile Personal album Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:12 pm 
Offline
Super Poster
Super Poster

Joined: Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:41 am
Posts: 682
Been Liked: 259 times
Key change and tempo are invaluable especially when you are on the road and the only version of a song the KJ has is not in the key your usual version is in or is faster or slower than you like.

Tempo is also nice as sometimes for whatever reason the KJ's system is slow. (usually because they are running Karaoke software that is not self contained and have somehow managed to bump the tempo slider and it does not reset to 0 on subsequent songs.

Good KJ's will know when someone is struggling and offer to change the key(Notice I said offer, NOT unilaterally make the decision and raise or drop the key on the singer in the middle of the song without their consent.)


Top
 Profile Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 5:03 am 
Offline
Extreme Poster
Extreme Poster
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:13 pm
Posts: 3801
Images: 1
Location: Florida
Been Liked: 1612 times
I have several singers that love sing all the higher pitched songs but can't quite hit the highest notes. So when they give me a song that I know is out of their range I will drop it 1 or 2 steps without them knowing. On a couple of occasions I have had them tell me that they can only sing that song well on my system. :D It's my little secret :wink:


Top
 Profile Personal album Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 7:10 am 
Offline
Extreme Poster
Extreme Poster
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 20, 2004 10:09 am
Posts: 3341
Location: Tampa Bay, FL
Been Liked: 445 times
I literally only those features about 10-15 times a year.

_________________
C Mc
KJ, FL


Top
 Profile Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:27 am 
Offline
Novice Poster
Novice Poster
User avatar

Joined: Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:23 pm
Posts: 30
Location: Seattle, WA
Been Liked: 10 times
As a side note, I was speaking to the owner of a box-style Karaoke business in Seattle, and he has a large clientele of Japanese customers who frequent his business. He says they use the tempo change feature of tricerasoft ALL the time for some reason. So, if you're a KJ who has a lot of Japanese singers, that might be a feature they'd be interested in!

_________________
~ Mike


Top
 Profile Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:18 pm 
Offline
Super Duper Poster
Super Duper Poster

Joined: Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:16 pm
Posts: 2027
Location: HIgh River, AB
Been Liked: 268 times
As a singer, i actually prefer to sing higher or lower, as required than to change the pitch thru the computer. In my experience, it doesn't quite work out when the computer does it. Always seems to affect the tempo ever so slightly, or the CDG sync timing

-James


Top
 Profile Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:55 pm 
Offline
Super Extreme Poster
Super Extreme Poster
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 10, 2001 3:57 pm
Posts: 22978
Songs: 35
Images: 3
Location: Tacoma, WA
Been Liked: 2126 times
Guess that would depend on the program. A straight key change in Hoster doesn't affect timing/sync whatsoever, and if it did, I can live sync it back up as necessary.

_________________
LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
Image


Top
 Profile Personal album Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 5:50 pm 
Offline
Advanced Poster
Advanced Poster
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:37 pm
Posts: 495
Location: fl
Been Liked: 126 times
Yup. Use both features with Compuhost. On the rare occasion that I play a long song, (most of the time I refuse) like PBTDL, I speed the tempo up quite a bit. Sometimes I tel them and sometimes I don't. Being in SW Florida, I have a lot of older folks who like the option of dropping a half key, etc. so it's nice to have those features

_________________
Sound Choice and Chartbuster Certified


Top
 Profile Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 7:18 am 
Offline
Extreme Poster
Extreme Poster
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:13 pm
Posts: 3801
Images: 1
Location: Florida
Been Liked: 1612 times
The "Last Time Ever I Saw Your Face" gets sung a couple times a year. I always increase the tempo 20% and the song and it is still sloooowwww, but it is over 20% faster. :D


Top
 Profile Personal album Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:54 am 
Offline
Novice Poster
Novice Poster
User avatar

Joined: Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:23 pm
Posts: 30
Location: Seattle, WA
Been Liked: 10 times
I'm happy to report that I had my FIRST experience KJ'ing a club last night! It was thrilling, and everyone was super happy. FYI, I'm not a KJ by trade, nor looking to become one. My wife wouldn't be cool with me getting home at 3am on a regular basis. lol

. . . My point is, just as most of you said, I got 3 requests for key changes! Nothing like real world experience to get my question answered! :)

_________________
~ Mike


Top
 Profile Singer's Showcase Profile 
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 38 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC - 8 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 330 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group

Privacy Policy | Anti-Spam Policy | Acceptable Use Policy Copyright © Karaoke Scene Magazine
design & hosting by Cross Web Tech