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Thank you for this thread. Your input is invaluable. I would like the opportunity to provide you with some KaraoQ facts:
One:
As for KaraoQ and its research, you should be aware they were part of Launch Tennessee's "Project Music" a Forbes rated program. http://www.workitnashville.com/project-music-funds-eight-musictech-startups/
Two:
Front page Tennessean Business Section (above the fold) http://www.tennessean.com/story/money/industries/music/2015/07/30/nashville-startup-looks-overhaul-karaoke-experience/30839713/
Three:
We will be featuring them at this years "Karaoke Summit" on Oct 22nd at 1pm EDT. You will see that KaraoQ is more than just "BUMPs." Come watch and listen to fully understand how KaraoQ will help you, your following and your venues to provide a better night of entertainment and earn higher revenues http://gowoa.me/i/JySF

Forbes, The State of Tennessee and Tennessee's largest paper all endorse this project.

Thank you,
Joe Vangieri
CEO DigiTrax Entertainment
www.KaraokeCloud.net New HD Site Launching October 22, 2015
http://www.KaraokeCloud.com consumer cross-platform offer (available now)

Followed all the links, still can't find any reference to ANYTHING outside of Tennessee.

Question answered I guess. Good luck, you're going to need it in my opinion.

-James

OK Mr. Joe Vangieri;

It has been stated on KaraoQ's website that use of their software can help KJ's double, triple and even quadruple their nightly income.

I posted this earlier and never got a response so let me ask you directly. Please read the following question carefully.

Can a KJ who uses KaraoQ double, triple or even quadruple their nightly income (as they've promised) WITHOUT using the tipping or bumping feature?

A simple yes or no will do.

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I read the link you provided:
Nashville startup looks to overhaul karaoke experience

It's even sicker that I thought. Rating people?? Bumping?? Paying you 25% for the privilege?

This is the most disgusting piece of.. software I've ever seen.

Yea, it's going to overhaul the karaoke experience alright; it's going to kill it.

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this.

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Very well spoken!

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Look at the bright side; it's only going to kill only where it's used... So, they'd best make it cheap for the venues because I can't think of a single decent KJ that would pit one singer against another even for money because the last thing we want to do have someone's feelings hurt. Either by a KJ or by another patron or even a group of patrons.

Why would someone want to come back to a place where that can happen to them? The object of the exercise is to get more people to come in, not to ridicule them or beat them away even for a temporary tip.

It appears that this scenario is a paid method to do just that.

Yes.

However this may not be a Product-Market-Fit for your venues. Your observations may be correct for your serviced demographic. KaraoQ has based the model on the following research.

The KaraoQ Model was surveyed across hundreds of karaoke fans and venue owners over 10 states. The method for the survey was/is based on "The Mom Test" http://momtestbook.com/ the survey results are matched against "The Business Model Canvas" http://www.businessmodelgeneration.com/canvas/bmc in relation to "Value Proposition Design" http://www.businessmodelgeneration.com/canvas/vpc in order to ascertain the "Product-Market-Fit" this is a grueling crucible of a process, it is used in Silicon Valley and a must for investment from major Venture firms.

The past 90 days has resulted in 50 beta-test venues and over 100 venues signed-up and ready for on-boarding. We have additionally signed deals with several multi-system operators and expect to be in 500 venues by years end. We are seeking entertainment entrepreneurs who want to expand their businesses and grow with us.

Michael Amburgey the CEO of KaraoQ will present his offer at this years Karaoke Summit. If you have questions about the app you can do so at the Karaoke Summit via live-chat http://gowoa.me/i/JySF

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Musically Yours,
Joe Vangieri
CEO DigiTrax Entertainmant

Since no one from DigiTrax or KaraoQ answered my question, I'm going to take an educated guess when I say...
There is no way that KaraoQ can help KJ's double, triple, or even quadruple their nightly rate without using the tip/bump feature.

I may not always agree with Mr. Staley's views but his response above regarding KaraoQ is right on.

Digitrax has stated:


Is that supposed to be impressive? Well, guess what? That means nothing to us.

DigiTrax associating with such a company is IMO poor judgement. That is, unless your motive is to alienate people. Because that is what this software is designed to do. And in doing so, customers will be lost.

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And what are the names of these 10 alleged states?

Again, more corporate BS. Do you want to do a real world test? Go to venues on karaoke night and ask the singers themselves how they would feel about their singing being rated. Or how they'd feel about being pushed further down in the rotation because someone with money paid to get to the top.

Guess what?

I asked singers in 3 venues that I work in as well as shows that I go to. And not one, yes let me repeat that... not one singer was for it in any way. Some have made it clear by saying "if you ever do that, we're not coming back".

The KJ's on this forum are from all over the U.S. with several in Canada. We are representative to KJ's in our areas. The majority on this forum have stated in one way or another that they have no intention in using this software.

Many of us believe that karaoke is supposed to be fun for everyone. Whether you're a good singer, bad singer, rich or poor. Karaoke is supposed to be fun for all. And when people have fun, they keep coming back for more. This software does the opposite. It's no longer fun when a not so good singer is rated. Or someone made to feel inferior because someone else has more money then them and can buy their way to the top.

There is no way to justify hurting people's feelings by using the software in the way it was intended.

Anyway, I hope you have a good life hurting peoples feelings.

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This is one area that the almighty dollar has no place!! I would NEVER allow this to happen at my shows!! I happen to like ALL my singers, and would NOT alienate them this way. Hey, and how about giving your customers itemized, detailed receipts, and adding sound bites of your stuff to the damn site, already!!

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I am the ONLY SANE 1 HERE

There ya go, DigiTrax. Another representation of most of the KJ's who are opposed to KaraoQ.

Let me ask...

How can you support a company whose software has the potential to:

1. hurt the industry
2. alienate people
3. drive customers away
4. create a lack of self esteem among singers
5. hurt people's feelings

How can you do that? Why, would you do that?

I have no respect for DigiTrax and KaraoQ. It seems that the motivation is greed without caring about who gets hurt. It's obvious that you don't care about the singers. And apparently don't care about KJ's either. If you did, you'd listen to what we're saying.

Bottom line, we don't need this software. We can do most of the things it claims to do without it... and for free. We've got along just fine all these years without it, and will continue to do so.

Anyway, I'm done with DigiTrax. I hope this move pays off for you. You did not choose wisely.

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Gentlemen,

Thank you for your astute insight and approach to business, however we are basing our decisions on systems developed at Stanford University and used in Silicon Valley. Science does work and we have applied business technology to develop this offer.

KaraoQ is presently in 50 beta-test venues ( full-time karaoke bars) and we have pre-sold 150 venues who are in-fact onboarding starting October 22nd. Additionally we have signed contracts with the largest multi-system operators here in America and a global provider.

KaraoQ has additionally been integrated to 3 of the top hardware manufactures (announcement to come) these are some amazing bonafides. We are very proud of the work we are doing for the industry, for venue owners and for entertainment entrepreneurs.

To reiterate my response to the original preponderance, it is a resounding yes. KaraoQ will in-fact increase your revenue by big multiples.

This is a system for entrepreneurs who desire to grow their business. My best advice is to watch the Summit and then decide for yourself.

DigiTrax Entertainment launched Karaoke Cloud Pro in 2012 and it has been a tremendous success growing to over 2,500 subscriptions. This is a resounding affirmation from entertainment entrepreneurs and venues alike.

We launched our Vevo, YouTube channel that same year and it has grown to over 580,000 subscribers who sing 7 million karaoke songs monthly!

We have a new consumer site http://www.KaraokeCloud.com and are about to launch our new download site (announcement at the Summit) for Karaoke Professionals.

It is our desire and mission to provide entertainment entrepreneurs with music and technology to help grow their businesses.

Musically Yours,
Joe Vangieri

I find it utterly ironic, that so many KJ's are trying to give a lesson in integrity, to one of 2 companies (or at least had/has collaborated with or possibly born out of one of the companies) that became very litigious against us pee-on customers (because customers have no value, if they don't do what you insist they do, or lease what they've already purchased) because most, if not ALL KJ's are/were allegedly morally corrupt & unable to have integrity.
Wake up and smell the crotch-rot: Selling spots to the highest bidder is corrupt, playing favorites is stupid, as a 5 hour show might allow for nearly 60 songs (accounting for call-up/sit-down time & announcements & venue promo time) so... Have fun with your 60 friends, while hundreds flock to my fair show. I have turned down hundred dollar bribes, though I have decided that I will compromise my rotations integrity for no less than 1 million dollars (that way I can retire, because lose your integrity & your show is a piece of ssshhhmelly shmegma (sp?)).
The reasons we veterans are appalled at the idea of leasing music we've been buying better versions of for years (in my opinion), are 1) less is NOT more 2) we started our own shows so we could run OUR OWN SHOWS, not run someone else's show with a limited Library.
We have bought discs/songs in good faith, and that is all we can do. When asking questions about some of the sketchy licensing done by some producers (from phone calls with reps of the not mentioned companies - we get runaround circle talk or "oh, well that was done via a compulsory license" - sure until they were sued for it... NEWSFLASH: TPP will fail & the laws will favor the people, or the people, eventually will demand another revolution. Corporations ruling & manipulating law is coming to an end. Gear up & get out! In my opinion.

Neither company you're referring to is litigious against its actual customers.

No one has been asked to buy more product unless they were already using more than they had purchased.

75% or more of all Silicon Valley startups fail. Most using the same principles you outline. Perhaps being in Tennessee will provide enough of a buffer to keep this venture afloat.



Interesting. I have been trying for 2 months to get signed up just to test. Still not up and running.

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I will be watching the summit, but as I have been predicting - This will be a sales pitch for KaraokeCloud, KaraoQ, and probably PCDJ Karaoki

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-Chris

Want it plain and simple? I don't take tips. Everyone waits, its the law of the land at my show.

You know where this might work? In some overpriced bar in an airport where people have nothing to do until their plane shows up. Or some tourist trap type place where they get new customers every week. This could potentially open up 100's of locations that weekly KJs just can't bring themselves to do without feeling their soul die a little.

For a KJ who runs a weekly, this is disaster waiting to happen. I'm sure I'll run into it when I hear that type of gig format closed because of this system. Maybe you might get a bar here and there with rich idiots who want to be next all the time, but I think the majority of the Host across the county just kind like to make sure their singers are happy first. Repeat business pays the bills!

TM

EDIT: Oh and one other type of place that comes to mind, someone who might WORK for tips. There are people out there who do it, they run the house system, get a few beers and take tips for pay. I've been approached with this type of job... I've also laughed and hung up on them.

As critical as I have been, even I will acknowledge that will have some measure of success.

There are KJ's that have no problem taking tips - this gives them another means of accepting them.
(I accept tips....but I don't want to pay a 25% convenience fee to do so)
There are KJ's that have no problem accepting cash for bumping a singer - Hey, it is extra money for them. Awesome.

There are singers who will pay to sing - Singers vote with their feet. The ones that don't like it will move on.

There are venues with demographics where this will work great (and others where it would never get off the ground) - high turnover locations and tourist areas come to mind. I am sure there are much more rural locations where it can succeed as well (though I believe this will be the exception and not the norm).

This is very much like Karaoke software or kiosks vs books or remote song requests vs paper slips. There is no absolute BEST or ONLY way to do karaoke. Use what works for you. If you don't like it, don't use it.

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-Chris

If you look at all the negative responses starting with the thread "Rotation Bumps In KaraoQ", you'll see that most of the KJ's on this forum are against it, will not use it, or support it. I do not believe for one minute the hype that DigiTrax wants us to believe. You want real feedback? Ask karaoke singers. Or listen to what KJ's are saying...

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Is that what you would like to see? Your loyal singers who have supported you week after week move on all because you started taking bribes from the divas or the rich? You have stated yourself in a previous post that as a singer, you would not support this and would leave a show that did. My, what a change of heart.

Yeah but nobody gets hurt by it. You're offering your customers a choice, for their convenience. That's not going to drive them away or cause ill feelings.

Welcome to the dark side. May the force be with you.

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