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I shall address the elephant here...

Considering on how some people got into the Gem Series, HELP License, and certification programs, you can't guarantee that everyone on the SC listing is Pro SC...

I am also pretty sure some KJs who have not had trouble (yet) with SC would be less then enthused to give Sound Choice any information that might come back to haunt them. (Edited, grammar)

Again, best solution for Sound Choice to get back on board the karaoke train is 1) Major Advertising 2) Using their own money to make it happen 3) Make sure they have some awesome tracks that are sure to get downloaded, and recoup the initial Investment.

They have a LOT of work to do if they want to get back in the game. The landscape has changed and they are 6 years behind. They are also approaching their re-introduction into karaoke all wrong in my opinion. No one is going to pre-pay for something that they don't know when will arrive. They don't have licensing yet, and will not start production until they do. That's understandable, but in today's instant gratification world, its too slow.

They do have a major image problem and that problem is completely self inflicted. Worse, they have a serious trust problem which is also completely self inflicted. I, personally, have vowed to never give them another cent as long as the current management (which includes Jim), current views and practices are in place. I wonder if the lack of participation is evidence that I am more the norm than the exception? If so, SC really need to think about its practices and its image or they will never regain traction as an active producer.

Agreed, they have an image problem. I think the bigger problem is they have no solid answers for the people who want to buy from them.

Exactly. The market has changed and so has the vendor-landscape: there is no longer a "quality gap" and access via downloads have become for the most part, virtually instant. The market dictates what it wants and how it will get it.

They've been in denial for so long that they, themselves have been poisoning the well for so many years -- and continue to do so -- that it's impossible to draw anything from such a toxin-infused marketplace.

By continuing to sue venues out of using karaoke entertainment entirely, it appears that they've simply adopted a "scorched earth" policy and don't care about the KJ's because their focus is on lawsuits and settlements. If they could get a 10K settlement from a venue instead of a 4k gem purchase from a KJ, guess which one they'll choose? The KJ will always be the second choice if they can't get a venue settlement to stick. So now, both the venues and the KJ's don't trust them. Including their own "eligible licensees."

Kurt said at one time; "Suits drive sales." And while it may true that "suits drive settlements" the reality is that "suits kill sales."

I disagree that the supply problem is bigger than the image problem. In this case, the Chicken did come well before the egg and you gotta fix the chicken before you are gonna get any eggs. Let's face it, most KJs simply want high quality versions. I agree with Chip and others that say the quality gap has closed and the landscape has changed to a point where those that wanted SC in the past may not be as loyal today as SC thought they would be. Especially if you are making them jump through hoops. The path of least resistance is a key factor in the modern model. I know there are those that are still very loyal so I am not saying it is everyone. I also think Chip is right in that SC did not realize how much damage they actually did to their image. I sure hope this toe dip is an eye-opening experience for them. There are modern models that have proven very successful to look at. I think Karaoke.net will end up being the most successful of them all.

I've said it before and I will say it again... It's my opinion that regaining rights to as much of their back catalog as they can and providing it with a modern model is the only way to get the train rolling again. I know they do not currently have file media rights and I know they probably have added issues with the publishers gaining rights (I know both may be a hard uphill battle) but this is lower hanging fruit than trying to get people to pre-pay for production.

I think they would be better off doing new production only.

Regaining the back catalog is pretty pointless IMO -

They can't actually sell any of it unless they re-license it and that would be a mammoth undertaking.
I don't believe they would be able to profit from selling even digital downloads of it since all of it is in the wild and has been for 20 years.
They still own the trademark and they can enforce IP that way so regaining the catalog doesn't give them much.

Stick to new production.
Make superior quality versions.
Employ a REAL serialized digital watermarking system.
Make them available for download.


Lots more to it of course, but these are the only points that most reasonable hosts would care about.

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New productions NEVER before released by anyone. Not stuff that has been or is out currently.

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My biggest question is, and maybe Jim has answered it somewhere that I haven't seen, why can't Sound Choice just create and license new music like the other folks are doing? All Star, Partytyme and Karaoke Version seem to be doing things correctly and releasing new licensed stuff on a regular basis. Sound Choice should know as much as anybody in the business about producing, licensing and distributing karaoke tracks, so not sure why they aren't just doing that. Are the others just flush with cash? Also sounds like they should just do it like Zoom and Sunfly, produce it in the UK and let US KJs circumvent the legal sales process like Athena says she is doing. I'm sure there is some entrepreneur in the UK who'd love to supply US KJs with resold content.

It's not only a question of being flush with cash (or not). It's sort of like starting up a nuclear reactor that's been out of commission for a period of time. You can't just flip a switch and be back in production immediately.

For example, Slep-Tone had licensing agreements with hundreds of individual publishers when we stopped producing. Those relationships, some of which went back to the mid-1980s, went away, and we're only now able to start building them back up again. It's much easier to continue in production than to start new production from scratch because you have existing cash flow from your catalog to help support those operations.

The purpose of ADVANCE was to see if we could get enough interest early in the process to advance the timetable for new production. People who think negatively of us, who take delight in what they see as our misfortune, are going to see our experiment as a failure. While we've failed to meet our immediate objective, we've learned some valuable information that will help us get to new production sooner and more effectively than if we didn't have that information. As you can see, we've got a lot of different things going on right now--not just a focus on new production, but the acquisition of the CB trademarks, litigation pushes in new areas, and a couple of other projects that we aren't ready to disclose just yet, but that I think will be groundbreaking.

These questions are for Lonnie and the other single rig people probably more than Chris and the multi rig people...

How many times did you pass on a SC disc because it only had one track on it that you could use? What if you could go back and pick that track up all by itself? What if those sales helped push SC to be able to go to production faster? Now, maybe you've already filled in but I see a lot of song requests to Karaoke.net for stuff SC did but no one else has done (or it was done poorly). I am not suggesting only the back catalog, but that as a start..

I say the single rig people only because Chris and the multi rig people can probably use the entire CD at one rig or another.

When I was buying cdg discs from the beginning (94) to about 2008 my basic rule was if the disc had at least 6 new tracks (not duplicating what I already had) I would get it. Anything less than that I would pass - even if it was exclusive to that disc only. Back then I pretty much stayed brand specific as much as I could as the duplication factor between all brands trying to put out the same songs was unreal and I didn't want 20 versions of Friends In Low Places . Sound Choice was my main goto for most music which is why I have as many discs as I do.

If that was an option I would have been ALL over that getting the songs that I needed. Once I found Clark Music in Austrailia, I did just that with the custom discs @ $5 per song. It was still worth it rather than spending $25 per disc for only a coupld songs I could've used. I think it was around $80 after processing for a 15 song custom disc. Hell i'd still do that option today if it were still available. There are a lot of SC tracks i'd still like to get that I can't find anymore.

You are seeing a lot of stuff requested in the karaoke.net thread that only SC has done simply because those requesting don't want to use SC at all no matter how well done the songs were. And karaoke.net is listening and acting accordingly from what I can tell. They listed about 500 rock/metal songs they will be doing that were pretty much SC exclusive - most from the headbanger series.

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Thanks Athena and Lonnie. I'd welcome other opinions as well. I have a few of those custom discs as well for the same reasons. There could be a lot of people out there that didn't go that route.

I understand the desire for new stuff from those that would buy SC material. I'm just trying to provide a constructive opinion on how to get there, plus, the added benefit of maybe finding a few things (or more) from the back catalog that might suit your needs.

I'm not an expert but I would assume publisher licensing needs to happen whether it is a new track or a track from the back catalog. And please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Jim has stated they are working deals for percentage sold with the publishers. The larger wall would probably be getting a deal with Stingray. As Stingray's interest is in completely staying out of the pro market, and SC's desire to keep SC solidly IN the pro market, I would think they could probably work something out. Jim can feel free to correct any mis-information.

Actually I know they (karaoke.net) put up a list here showing the tracks they were planning on releasing. They will be recording all of the tracks not getting them from other sources as that is prohibited per their licensing agreement. I would imagine that would be the case for SC and they wouldn't be able to just re-acquire their old catalog and would need to re-record anything they release from here on out.

Here is the list they posted of tracks that will be done that many are on SC exclusively at this time.
AC/DC Back In Black
AC/DC Big Balls
AC/DC Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap
AC/DC For Those About To Rock (We Salute You)
AC/DC Girls Got Rhythm
AC/DC Hard As A Rock
AC/DC Have A Drink On Me
AC/DC Hells Bells
AC/DC Highway To Hell
AC/DC It's A Long Way To The Top (If You Wanna Rock 'N' Roll)
AC/DC Moneytalks
AC/DC Problem Child
AC/DC Ride On
AC/DC Rock N Roll Ain't Noise Pollution
AC/DC Safe In New York City
AC/DC Shoot to Thrill
AC/DC Sin City
AC/DC Sink The Pink
AC/DC Stiff Upper Lip
AC/DC T.N.T.
AC/DC Thunderstruck
AC/DC Who Made Who
AC/DC Whole Lotta Rosie
AC/DC You Shook Me All Night Long
Accept Balls To The Wall
Ace Frehley New York Groove
Aerosmith Big Ten Inch Record
Alice Cooper Be My Lover
Alice Cooper Billion Dollar Babies
Alice Cooper Elected
Alice Cooper Feed My Frankenstein
Alice Cooper Hey Stoopid
Alice Cooper It's Me
Alice Cooper No More Mr. Nice Guy
Alice Cooper Poison
Alice In Chains Again
Alice In Chains Heaven Beside You
Alice In Chains No Excuses
Andrew W.K. Party Hard
Anthrax Antisocial
Anthrax Caught In A Mosh
Anthrax Got The Time
Anthrax I'm The Man
Anthrax / Public Enemy Bring The Noise
Avenged Sevenfold Almost Easy (Radio Version)
Avenged Sevenfold Bat Country
Bad English Price Of Love
Billy Idol White Wedding
Black Sabbath Iron Man
Black Sabbath N.I.B.
Black Sabbath Neon Knights
Black Sabbath Paranoid
Black Sabbath Snowblind
Black Sabbath Sweet Leaf
Black Sabbath The Mob Rules
Black Sabbath War Pigs
Black Sabbath Children of the Grave
Black Sabbath Heaven And Hell
Blue Öyster Cult Burnin' For You
Blue Öyster Cult Don't Fear The Reaper
Blue Öyster Cult Godzilla
Bon Jovi Bad Medicine
Bon Jovi Bed Of Roses
Bon Jovi Born To Be My Baby
Bon Jovi Everyday
Bon Jovi Keep The Faith
Bon Jovi Lay Your Hands On Me
Bon Jovi Livin' On A Prayer
Bon Jovi This Ain't A Love Song
Cinderella Don't Know What You Got (Till It's Gone)
Cinderella Gypsy Road
Cinderella Heartbreak Station
Cinderella Shake Me
Cinderella Somebody Save Me
Danzig Mother
David Lee Roth California Girls
David Lee Roth Yankee Rose
Deep Purple Highway Star
Deep Purple Hush
Deep Purple Kentucky Woman
Deep Purple Knocking At Your Back Door
Deep Purple Perfect Strangers
Deep Purple Smoke On The Water
Deep Purple Space Truckin'
Deep Purple Woman From Tokyo
Def Leppard Animal
Def Leppard Armageddon It
Def Leppard Bringin' On The Heartbreak
Def Leppard Foolin'
Def Leppard Hysteria
Def Leppard Let's Get Rocked
Def Leppard Love Bites
Def Leppard Photograph
Def Leppard Pour Some Sugar On Me
Def Leppard Promises
Def Leppard Rock Of Ages
Def Leppard Rock Rock (Till You Drop)
Def Leppard Rocket
Def Leppard Too Late For Love
Def Leppard Two Steps Behind
Def Leppard When Love And Hate Collide
Def Leppard Women
Deftones Back To School
Deftones Change (In The House Of Flies)
Deftones Digital Bath
Dio Don't Talk To Strangers
Dio Rainbow In The Dark
Dio The Last In Line
Disturbed Down With The Sickness (Radio Version)
Disturbed Inside The Fire
Disturbed Land Of Confusion
Disturbed Prayer
Disturbed Remember
Disturbed Stricken
Disturbed Stupify (Radio Version)
Disturbed The Night
Disturbed Voices
Dokken Alone Again
Dokken Breaking The Chains
Dokken Burning Like A Flame
Dokken Dream Warriors
Dokken In My Dreams
Dokken Into The Fire
Dokken It's Not Love
Dokken Unchain The Night
Europe Carrie
Europe The Final Countdown
Godsmack I Stand Alone
Godsmack Keep Away
Godsmack Speak
Godsmack Straight Out Of Line
Godsmack Whatever
Good Charlotte Keep Your Hands Off My Girl
Good Charlotte River
Great White Rock Me
Great White Rollin' Stoned
Great White Save Your Love
Great White Once Bitten Twice Shy
Guns N' Roses Back Off (@$%&#!)
Guns N' Roses Don't Cry (Original)
Guns N' Roses Knockin' On Heaven's Door
Guns N' Roses Live And Let Die
Guns N' Roses Mr. Brownstone
Guns N' Roses My Michelle
Guns N' Roses November Rain
Guns N' Roses Paradise City
Guns N' Roses Patience
Guns N' Roses Since I Don't Have You
Guns N' Roses Sweet Child O' Mine
Guns N' Roses Used To Love Her
Guns N' Roses Welcome To The Jungle
Guns N' Roses You Could Be Mine
Hanoi Rocks Boulevard Of Broken Dreams
Jackyl The Lumberjack
Jethro Tull Aqualung
Jethro Tull Cross-Eyed Mary
Jethro Tull Living In The Past
Jethro Tull Locomotive Breath
Jethro Tull Thick As A Brick (Radio Version)
Joan Jett Bad Reputation
Joan Jett Cherry Bomb
Joan Jett Fake Friends
Joan Jett Light Of Day
Joan Jett & The Blackhearts Do You Wanna Touch Me (Oh Yeah)
Joan Jett & The Blackhearts I Hate Myself For Loving You
Joy Division Love Will Tear Us Apart
Judas Priest Breaking The Law
Judas Priest Heading Out to the Highway
Judas Priest Hell Bent For Leather
Judas Priest Johnny B. Goode
Judas Priest Living After Midnight
Judas Priest Revolution
Judas Priest Screaming For Vengeance
Judas Priest The Green Manalishi (With The Two-Pronged Crown)
Judas Priest The Hellion/Electric Eye
Judas Priest Turbo Lover
Judas Priest You've Got Another Thing Comin'
Kiss God Of Thunder
Kiss Hard Luck Woman
Kiss Psycho Circus
Kiss Tears Are Falling
Kiss You Wanted The Best
Korn A.D.I.D.A.S.
Korn Blind
Korn Coming Undone
Korn Falling Away From Me (Radio Version)
Korn Freak On A Leash
Korn Got The Life
Korn Here To Stay
Korn Make Me Bad
Korn Somebody Someone
Korn Twisted Transistor
Korn / Lee, Amy Freak On A Leash (Unplugged Version)
Krokus Eat The Rich
Krokus Midnite Maniac
Krokus Screaming In The Night
LA Guns The Ballad Of Jayne
Led Zeppelin All My Love
Led Zeppelin Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You
Led Zeppelin Bring It On Home
Led Zeppelin Celebration Day
Led Zeppelin Communication Breakdown
Led Zeppelin Custard Pie
Led Zeppelin Dancing Days
Led Zeppelin Fool In The Rain
Led Zeppelin Going To California
Led Zeppelin Good Times Bad Times
Led Zeppelin Hey Hey What Can I Do
Led Zeppelin Houses Of The Holy
Led Zeppelin How Many More Times
Led Zeppelin I Can't Quit You Baby
Led Zeppelin Immigrant Song
Led Zeppelin Living Loving Maid (She's Just A Woman)
Led Zeppelin Misty Mountain Hop
Led Zeppelin Out On The Tiles
Led Zeppelin Over The Hills And Far Away
Led Zeppelin Ramble On
Led Zeppelin Rock & Roll
Led Zeppelin Thank You
Led Zeppelin The Crunge
Led Zeppelin The Ocean
Led Zeppelin What Is And What Should Never Be
Led Zeppelin Your Time Is Gonna Come
Limp Bizkit My Generation (Clean Version)
Linkin Park Papercut
Linkin Park What I've Done
Linkin Park Crawling
Linkin Park In The End
Lita Ford Back To The Cave
Lita Ford Kiss Me Deadly
Lita Ford Shot Of Poison
Lita Ford / Ozzy Osbourne Close My Eyes Forever
Marilyn Manson Disposable Teens
Marilyn Manson Heart Shaped Glasses
Marilyn Manson Tainted Love
Megadeth Angry Again
Megadeth Peace Sells
Megadeth Symphony Of Destruction
Metallica Die, Die My Darling
Metallica Enter Sandman
Metallica Fade To Black
Metallica For Whom The Bell Tolls
Metallica Fuel
Metallica Hero Of The Day
Metallica Master Of Puppets
Metallica No Leaf Clover (Live Version)
Metallica Nothing Else Matters
Metallica Sad But True
Metallica Seek & Destroy
Metallica Stone Cold Crazy
Metallica The Memory Remains
Metallica The Unforgiven
Metallica Turn The Page
Metallica Until It Sleeps
Metallica Whiskey In The Jar
Motörhead Ace Of Spades
Muse Invincible
Muse Supermassive Black Hole
Mötley Crüe Don't Go Away Mad (Just Go Away)
Mötley Crüe Dr. Feelgood
Mötley Crüe Girls, Girls, Girls
Mötley Crüe Home Sweet Home
Mötley Crüe If I Die Tomorrow
Mötley Crüe Kickstart My Heart
Mötley Crüe Live Wire
Mötley Crüe Looks That Kill
Mötley Crüe Primal Scream
Mötley Crüe Same Ol' Situation
Mötley Crüe Shout At The Devil
Mötley Crüe Smokin' In The Boy's Room
Mötley Crüe Ten Seconds to Love
Mötley Crüe Too Young To Fall In Love
Mötley Crüe Wild Side
Nazareth Hair Of The Dog
Nine Inch Nails Closer
Nine Inch Nails Deep (Radio Version)
Nine Inch Nails Head Like A Hole
Ozzy Osbourne Bark At The Moon
Ozzy Osbourne Crazy Train
Ozzy Osbourne Diary Of A Madman
Ozzy Osbourne Dreamer
Ozzy Osbourne Flying High Again
Ozzy Osbourne Gets Me Through (Radio Version)
Ozzy Osbourne I Don't Know
Ozzy Osbourne I Don't Wanna Stop
Ozzy Osbourne Mama, I'm Coming Home
Ozzy Osbourne Mr. Crowley
Ozzy Osbourne No More Tears
Ozzy Osbourne Over The Mountain
Ozzy Osbourne Road to Nowhere
Ozzy Osbourne Shot In The Dark
Ozzy Osbourne You Can't Kill Rock And Roll
Pink Floyd Another Brick In The Wall (Part II)
Pink Floyd Brain Damage/Eclipse
Pink Floyd Comfortably Numb
Pink Floyd Have A Cigar
Pink Floyd Hey You
Pink Floyd Learning To Fly
Pink Floyd Money
Poison Every Rose Has Its Thorn
Poison Fallen Angel
Poison I Want Action
Poison I Won't Forget You
Poison Look What The Cat Dragged In
Poison Something To Believe In
Poison Unskinny Bop
Poison Your Mama Don't Dance
Queensryche Another Rainy Night (Without You)
Queensryche Della Brown
Queensryche Empire
Queensryche Eyes Of A Stranger
Queensryche I Don't Believe In Love
Queensryche Jet City Woman
Queensryche Queen Of The Reich
Queensryche Silent Lucidity
Queensryche Take Hold Of The Flame
Quiet Riot Cum On Feel The Noize
Quiet Riot Mama Weer All Crazee Now
Quiet Riot Metal Health
Quiet Riot Slick Black Cadillac
Rage Against The Machine Bulls On Parade
Rage Against The Machine Guerrilla Radio
Rage Against The Machine How I Could Just Kill A Man
Rage Against The Machine Killing In The Name
Rage Against The Machine Renegades Of Funk
Rage Against The Machine Testify
Raiders Indian Reservation (The Lament Of The Cherokee Reservation Indian)
Rainbow Stone Cold
Rainbow Street Of Dreams
Ram Jam Black Betty
Rammstein Du Hast (English Version)
Rammstein Du Hast (German Version)
Ramones Beat on the Brat
Ramones Blitzkrieg Bop
Ramones I Wanna Be Sedated
Ramones Pet Sematary
Ramones Rock 'n' Roll High School
Ramones Sheena Is A Punk Rocker (Radio Version)
Ramones The KKK Took My Baby Away
Ratt Back For More
Ratt Lack Of Communication
Ratt Lay It Down
Ratt Round And Round
Ratt Way Cool Jr.
Rob Zombie Dragula
Rob Zombie Living Dead Girl (Radio Version)
Rob Zombie Never Gonna Stop (The Red, Red Kroovy)
Ronnie James Dio Holy Diver
Rush Closer To The Heart
Rush Fly By Night
Rush Freewill
Rush Limelight
Rush New World Man
Rush Red Barchetta
Rush Subdivisions
Rush The Spirit Of Radio
Rush Tom Sawyer
Sammy Hagar Heavy Metal
Sammy Hagar I Can't Drive 55
Sammy Hagar Little White Lie
Sammy Hagar Mas Tequila
Sammy Hagar Serious Juju (Radio Version)
Sammy Hagar Shag
Sammy Hagar There's Only One Way To Rock
Sammy Hagar Your Love Is Driving Me Crazy
Scorpions Big City Nights
Scorpions No One Like You
Scorpions Rock You Like A Hurricane
Scorpions Still Loving You
Scorpions The Zoo
Scorpions Wind Of Change
Seether Careless Whisper
Sevendust Black
Siouxsie & The Banshees Kiss Them For Me
Skid Row I Remember You
Skid Row Monkey Business
Skid Row Wasted Time
Skid Row Youth Gone Wild
Skid Row 18 And Life
Slaughter Fly To The Angels
Slaughter Up All Night
Slayer Seasons In The Abyss
Slipknot Before I Forget
Slipknot Wait And Bleed
Soundgarden Black Hole Sun
Soundgarden Blow Up The Outside World
Soundgarden Burden In My Hand
Soundgarden Fell On Black Days
Soundgarden Pretty Noose
Steelheart I'll Never Let You Go (Angel Eyes)
Stone Sour Bother
Stone Sour Get Inside
Stone Sour Through Glass (Radio Version)
Survivor Eye Of The Tiger
System Of A Down Aerials (Radio Version)
System Of A Down B.Y.O.B.
System Of A Down Chop Suey!
System Of A Down Sugar
Ted Nugent Cat Scratch Fever
Ted Nugent Free For All
Ted Nugent Hey Baby
Ted Nugent Motor City Madhouse
Ted Nugent Wango Tango
Tesla Love Song
Tesla Modern Day Cowboy
Tesla Signs
Tesla What You Give
The Doors Break On Through
The Doors Hello, I Love You
The Doors People Are Strange
The Doors Touch Me
The Jimi Hendrix Experience Purple Haze
The Who Behind Blue Eyes
Thin Lizzy Jailbreak
Thin Lizzy The Boys Are Back In Town
Tool Aenima
Tool Schism
Tool Sober
Twisted Sister Burn in Hell
Twisted Sister I Wanna Rock
Twisted Sister The Price
Twisted Sister We're Not Gonna Take It
Type O Negative All Hallows Eve
UFO Doctor, Doctor
UFO Only You Can Rock Me (Live Version)
Ugly Kid Joe Cat's In The Cradle
Ugly Kid Joe Everything About You
Ugly Kid Joe Neighbor
Uriah Heep Easy Livin'
Van Halen (Oh) Pretty Woman
Van Halen Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love
Van Halen And The Cradle Will Rock
Van Halen Beautiful Girls
Van Halen Can't Stop Loving You
Van Halen Dance The Night Away
Van Halen Don't Tell Me (What Love Can Do)
Van Halen Dreams
Van Halen Everybody Wants Some!!
Van Halen Finish What Ya Started
Van Halen Hot For Teacher
Van Halen Humans Being
Van Halen I'll Wait
Van Halen Ice Cream Man
Van Halen Jamie's Cryin'
Van Halen Jump
Van Halen Panama
Van Halen Poundcake
Van Halen Right Now
Van Halen Runnin' With The Devil
Van Halen Top Of The World
Van Halen Unchained
Van Halen When It's Love
Van Halen Why Can't This Be Love
Van Halen Without You
Van Halen You Really Got Me
Van Morrison And It Stoned Me
Vixen Cryin'
Vixen Edge Of A Broken Heart
W.A.S.P. Animal (F### Like a Beast)
W.A.S.P. I Wanna Be Somebody
Warrant Cherry Pie
Warrant Down Boys
Warrant Heaven
Warrant I Saw Red
Warrant Sometimes She Cries
Warrant Uncle Tom's Cabin
White Lion Wait
White Lion When The Children Cry
White Zombie More Human Than Human
White Zombie Thunder Kiss '65
Whitesnake Fool For Your Loving
Whitesnake Give Me All Your Love
Whitesnake Here I Go Again
Whitesnake Is This Love
Whitesnake Slide It In
Whitesnake Slow An' Easy
Whitesnake Still Of The Night
Winger Headed For A Heartbreak
Winger Miles Away
Winger Seventeen
Y&T Mean Streak
Y&T Rescue Me
Y&T Summertime Girls
Yngwie Malmsteen Heaven Tonight
ZZ Top Cheap Sunglasses
ZZ Top Gimme All Your Lovin'
ZZ Top I Thank You
ZZ Top I'm Bad, I’m Nationwide
ZZ Top Jesus Just Left Chicago
ZZ Top La Grange
ZZ Top Legs
ZZ Top Pearl Necklace
ZZ Top Pincushion
ZZ Top Rough Boy
ZZ Top Sharp Dressed Man
ZZ Top Tube Snake Boogie
ZZ Top Tush
ZZ Top Velcro Fly
ZZ Top Waitin' For The Bus
ZZ Top What's Up With That

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To the extent that there are tracks released from the back catalog that we do not already own, it is likely that we would produce new recordings rather than re-licensing from Stingray. The publishers are not particularly accommodating to what they call "master licensing"--they generally expect to be paid on that transaction even though they are getting paid on the production that results. The end result is that it is likely cheaper simply to record it again.

Actually being a multi-rigger in this case doesn't matter because according to Soundchoice/PEP's certification rules, you can't use those extra tracks on a separate rig anyway, UNLESS you have a help license as well.

Basicallly 1 to 1 means that if a certain set of tracks all reside on 1 disc, you cannot split those tracks to different rigs, because that is phycially impossible when using the original disc.

As for skipping buying a certain disc because it only had one or two songs on it, it depends on how badly i wanted the song. I happily bought their Bobby Darin dics, even tho i had every single other track on it, just because i REALLY REALLY wanted to sing 'queen of the hop' and they were the only ones who had it.

Back when i was hosting, it was more about money than anything else. If the song i wanted was on a chepaer brand, i bought that instead. Of course this was back when soundchoice discs were almost almost $40 including taxes from a brick and mortar store.

When clark in australia started offering soundchoice, it was a GODSEND because i could go back and get the tracks i really really wanted, and not have to buy a disc with something that i would never sing. As i have stated before, i had a list of over 400 discs sitting in my wishlist, that if clark had kept going, i could have just transferd to checkout/cart as i could afford them. I bought discs in sets of 8 to keep the costs down in case i ever had to replace the disc. Somtimes i would get 10 or more simply because i really wanted those songs, and didnt want to have to bother with the extra cost of shipping buy ordering a separate disc at a later date.

Jim no offence intended, but every time someone even remotely associated with karaoke uses the words "revoluationary| ' or 'groundbreaking' experience has shown that they either didn't think far enough ahead *roll your own karaoke by stellar* or they were too confident in their own marketing hype and were simply just talking out of their arse *i could put a name here aso, but i won't*

I hope one of the lessons you are taking away from the advance thing is that no one wants to buy music from PEP unless it is either from the back catalog, or never been produced from anyone.

good luck

-James

I think the highest the B&M stores were selling SC for around here was $30 ($35 around 94-95 when they first appeared) with $25 being the avg. for most places.

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Well if the original bands and artists can do it to avoid having to deal with the publishers that they originally signed with can do it, why not you.

Plus if you wanted to you could eventually put all the new recorded songs under the red logo and make the HELP program almost 100% authorized. *i say this because you have already stated that stringray is not currently participating in the help program, and they own the majority of the copyrights to the music*

yes and with the exchange rate and tasxes in Canada, at the time, it worked out to close to $40 canadian.