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In that case, I can understand a strong opinion toward doing things previously not recorded by SC. I figured you would have to pay Stingray and the publishers, but I figured it would be cheaper and faster to re-release in bulk rather than to reproduce it.

That is correct, they have already stated they are going to be producing the pearl jam song that soundchoice wanted to produce, AND they have also stated that they will be producing the shinedown track that smooth suggested to Jim as a possibility that no one else had down in another thread, they are obviously paying VERY close attention to what the KJs in this forum are saying. Which i have to say, is a refreshing change.

Yes they are definitely doing exactly what the kj's want and need. Not just this forum but others as well.

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from what i can see, most kj;s do not go along with "pay me and i might make something". however as evidenced in the PY thread, most kj's DO go along with "make what we want and then we will buy."

i'm not sure why we are back having this conversation. at one time or another, even in one big thread, we told SC what we as kj's wanted...
quality recordings
the right songs
released in time to be useful
digital downloads ala-carte
a reasonable price
take and record requests

KSF is ACTUALLY doing 100% of that and as we can see, kj's are flocking and drooling with readiness to buy.
PEP is OFFERING to maybe do 30% of those and as we can see, kj's are closing their wallets.

if PEP does not listen to what kj's want, thats like a bar full of singers and the kj says, "nah, i'm going to play 3 dance songs between singers for the 1 girl that keeps asking to dance" until they suddenly all go to the bar down the street with karaoke and no dance music. don't give your customers what they want, they will go elsewhere.

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Well I don't take delight in no product, or that you missed the mark with what you wanted to do. It's not helpful to any of us out here: I want you to release new stuff, old stuff, unique stuff. The industry always needs new product. I want a reliable source for good karaoke tracks, and I am willing to pay for them: Always have, always will.

I DO think you have gone about getting started wrong, and hopefully you took away some good lessons there. Biggest problem was there never was a time table. I might have dropped coin if a) I liked the offering and b) if I knew exactly when it was coming out. The idea of credits were appealing until read that those credits may or may not be worth a specified amount, or if a song would be worth one credit or two.

I also DON'T think the CB trademark acquisition helps your image any with people here. At least with Sound Choice product, you made it, there was blood sweat and tears involved. With Chartbuster, all the product is OOP and any product out there is on the secondary market now, so there is no money to be made for PEP through sales. Also, another problem I have, is that while you are looking at crowd funding and pre-sales to release new karaoke music, and have no clue when new material will come out, you had no problem making whatever deal you did to acquire the trademark. It won't surprise me if we see the CB enforcement policy come out sooner then any music tracks from The Sound Choice Brand. And with the "litigation pushes in new areas", I see a slew of lawsuits in the making once you lock down your policy.

I am really on the fence with you guys. I want to believe you are going to be a positive influence in the industry, make some great products and get back in the game. Nothing would please me more to see great series like Headbanger's Hits, and One Artist ( & Friends) make a return.

That other part though, it gives me the creeps.

Just my opinion on it all... that and a bus ticket gets you on the bus.

If you want this to be more successful, then you should not only listen to what some of us have been saying, you should ACKNOWLEDGE IT as well. One of the biggest things we've been asking for is NEW MUSIC, not necessarily new for the 2000's, BUT NEW, NEVER-RELEASED-BEFORE, BY ANYONE, MUSIC. You presented us with a list of possible titles for the (hopefully) upcoming Advance Series release at the beginning of October, and most of us chimed in about how we were DISAPPOINTED in the fact that every track you mentioned is ALREADY OUT THERE by one of the other Manufacturers (SBI, ZOOM, Karaoke Version, etc...). And, as you should/can clearly see (right now), many of us are still chiming in that we would like PEP/SC to release tracks that nobody else has done yet (50's, 60's, 70's 80's, 90's, 00's, and 10's.. pick an era, any era).













Although Chris did not specifically say he wished this to be limited to Never-Before-Released music by anyone else.

Funny how you relate SC to a Nuclear Reactor. SC just didn't go out of commission for a period of time, they had a full "China Syndrome", a full melt down and with full melt downs they usually shut the doors and declare the area as a toxic waste area and keep people away for more years then anyone of use will be around.

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The truth of the matter was when SC had a things in full production 6 years ago, The new music that you released was out of date by chart standards, its why I only bought older material disks from you towards the end.

And in one instance, you put out the same song on THREE different Spotlight CDs, for my show it wasn't even worth one instance.

The trend with the Advanced Series would have continued that when dealing with the "new music" problems. Even if you HAD gone to production, some of that music has already been through the ringer and is out of the loop NOW.

By working on older stuff that wasn't produced, or done so poorly its worth a redo, you will get sales, then when you have a head of steam you can produce new releases as you are already running.

I can now confirm that the ADVANCE program refunds are available for those who signed up, and the credit program is as I've previously described it.

Those you who signed up should have gotten an email by now, but if not, here's the link to choose a refund or credits.

https://pep.rocks/advancerefund

Thanks to all who signed up.

i agree on all these points, but on your first point especially and have been trumpeting it for years. The push back has been that it was NOT because of late releases that nobody bought discs, they claimed it was because of piracy.
not buying because of late releases = piracy problem
not buying because we already bought a good version = piracy problem
not buying because of excessive duplicates = piracy problem
not buying because others offer al-la-carte purchases = piracy problem
no buying because others offer instant download ability = piracy problem


i would love to have another U.S. producer of quality tracks. blaming piracy as the main reason for the lack of people buying SC discs is ridiculous. there is no pirated Advance material, there is no material, and STILL nobody is buying, why?

the songs are late to market (same as the reason blamed on piracy above)
the songs are already purchased by those who wanted them (same as the reason blamed on piracy above)
no duplicates of SC material here so that just goes back to we have equal quality versions already.
not yet offering al-la-carte purchases (same as the reason blamed on piracy above)
not offering instant download ability (same as reason blamed on piracy above)

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Chose credits, I really wanna see PEP succeed.

We've gotten a couple of inquiries about something specific, so I thought I'd clear it up right away.

The fact that we are changing the way we do the ADVANCE program does not mean that we will be making new SOUND CHOICE tracks available to the general public. When we do have new ADVANCE tracks to release, those tracks will still be the subject of an eligibility requirement: You must be a Certified KJ, a GEM licensee, a HELP licensee, or a verified Original Disc User to be able to acquire these tracks.

"When we do have new advance tracks...." but you don't have any kind of concrete schedule or date exactly "when" this will be? Just "someday?" Or maybe "Sometime... Soon?"

And if you go forward with your "crowdfunding plan" then you won't be accepting funds from anyone that is also not qualified to purchase the product right?

Or are you going to just offer them a hat or a t-shirt in exchange for money?

(the tin-cup saga continues....)

And with THAT kind of business model you will make, virtually NOTHING on anything you produce!! Especially, when you consider that by the time you produce it, those certified KJs will have bought those songs from other companies. Your quality, in this day and age, is not enough to sustain your new business model. People want to sing new stuff as it is released on the radio, when it is fresh, not six months down the line.

And NOW, with KSF on the scene, you guys are screwed. They are looking to take over the American market, with good, high quality music, made in a timely fashion, made available to everyone, for use without fear of lawsuits, and sold at a reasonable price.

They have done it right. They have already started production, so they are going to have a LIBRARY of music ready to go, by the time they open their doors. You will have 12 songs, IF you ever re-open your doors, and you will be LUCKY if you sell any of those new songs. Face it, you are no longer a karaoke mfr. The faster you face that, the better off you will be.

And just to be clear, this has NOTHING to do with what I think of SC or their actions. This is just bad business, and incompetence on the part of Kurt Slep, or whoever is running PEP.

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Going to agree with Smooth here...

Time to get up, open up the check book , and Make Something!

All the schemes you are planning to produce music without paying for it up front is just delaying your re-entry into the marketplace. Every day that passes by costs you money, and gets other manufactures closer to becoming a bigger presence in the market.

Please, just make some tracks, give us a release date, and get back in the game already. Anything else is just playing games with us at this point.

credits for us please

As promised, we have:

1 - issued credits to everyone who requested them
2 - issued a refund to everyone who requested a refund, and
3 - issued a refund to everyone who did not choose by the deadline.

Dear SoundChoice or to whom this may concern,

You already have over 500,000 Potential Customers waiting since 2009 to buy your product.

Why don't you try this:

Produce ONE NEW SONG... JUST ONE. and Put it on your website and make it available to purchase as a digital download.

Because it is SOUNDCHOICE brand and also a new song We don't mind to pay more for it.

Set the Price for that ONE NEW SONG for $3.00USD

if you have even 350,000 out of the 500,000 customers who will always remain loyal to the SounChoice name, then you will make 1,050,000.00 For each new song released.

KEEP IN MIND: The request list from KJ/Customers of actual songs being requested.
If 500,000 customers requested 10 songs each = 5,000,000 requested songs (Many will be doubles) but thats still a potential 15,000,000,000 in sales opportunity.

Are ya' gettin' the picture.

Come on guys, Wake up and get that ball rolling.

Offer an affiliate program too so we can also be a part of the great name brand and enjoy some of the awesomeness .

Considering that they failed to get the pre-sale option moving, I don't think those numbers are accurate. That being said, just using ONE percent of those numbers, would be enough to get SC excited on a first issue.

I do agree on 2 things:
1) That they need to get the ball rolling, and even a few songs released would be better then nothing.
2) Watch and respond to what Karaoke people are looking for. (Ex: 'Hello' from Adele would be awesome to get out right now)

They also need a huge advertising campaign to get the word out they are back and have some product to sell. If they do it right, and lay some money out, then they got a good shot at being in the game again.