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The "man" is quite low....She starts on A as I stated, and "man" would be the B note beneath her starting note...note quite an octave lower but she does go fairly low

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Its one of the hardest song I ever try; mabe cos it new to me. Good of you to try that same song Milo cos I really want to see that song sung well WITH the Rod Stewart backing. And I know you will do far better than me. I can learn from it.

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I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott

Jeanne,  YOu don't need reverberation on this song....You wouldn't even want it at all....these songs are tight rhythmically...reverb throws "tight" and punchy lyrics off

Be a big girl Jeanne, and sub this with absolute MINIMAL reverb assuming you feel you must hide your voice..   you want some punch to this, reverb is counter-productive. I'm thinking of song's like "Take the A Train" walking bass lines, which this song also originally had with the D Ellington orch...style of almost scat type singing.

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ack, already subbed it and even i think i added too much.....some places i can already hear need fixing.....i think i attacked the beginning of some phrases too much and also held onto some of the end notes too long.....that's just what sticks out to me....let me know what you think....looking forward to what you have to say....be brutal but in a kind way ok?  ;)

jian....let me know if you want the backing to this....i also have about 15 more of his backings off of the 'great american songbook' albums if you'd like those!  going to listen to yours right after 'survivor' goes off..... i'd rather be watching 'dancing with the stars'.....

Jeanne, this was very good..

The way you approached the first word "Missed" <-- that exact dynamic is what you want more of, you build into the word, you almost have to blend into it with that exact mood you did.  That's a fabulous example for you to follow.  I liked the way you got added edge to your voice during "Might have gone but what for"...That was extremely tasteful, yet I wonder if reverb cuts down on some contrast noticeability too, a little less verb would've been fine..the adding of a little edge to "might've gone but what for" is reminiscent of that era music..that contrast was fabulous.. and typical of how this would've been performed during that swing era... Great choice on adding the edge at that exact area... Personally I felt you got a little careless with "My Darling, and "My Minds more at ease" didn't work for me... too harsh, and what I believe happened is the reverberation added treble to your voice as you hit with such volume, reverb can do that, adds a little "tin" to a persons voice...there were parts where I believe the reverb added a little too much "shrillness: to your voice, especially during the higher louder notes you hit..Yet in general the reverb didn't detract that much...I'd have liked it if you got a little more creative at the end... Here's what I mean.... I mentioned to you I liked what I thought you were trying to do with

"Might've gone but what for"

The following sentence unfortuneately didn't do it the justice it could've had you showed more contrast and softened into that intial softer dynamic I explained to you for a part that you want to show abit more of a solemn mood...You want to quiet down more for

"It's awfully different without you"

Don't get around much anymore...almost  neutrally sung,  not much feeling...

Now a crescendo

build into

It's awfully different WITHOUT[b/] you <-----you want edge on this, WITHOUT  
                                                                     might even be the culmination

don't get around much <---you want a smoother transition back

"anymore"  <--Vibrato out in slighter better timing...


Aside from those espects it was very good.

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Billy's looking at it now and going..."Kappy...What the F&%* are you talking about?"  Who do you think you are, count Basie ?

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Jian, incidently,  A woman and man with different vocal styles would not sing this song the same way...So what I say I believe would be a nice method for Jeanne to use as an approach to this song is a VERY different style than what I'd suggest to you, or most males singing the same song....You can't compare notes with one-another....She would not approach this song the same way you would..

My feelings are that Jian would soften it up, and make the song mellower,  yet I think Jeanne would belt out parts in swing or show style, and make more of a use of contrasting dynamics at the end especially..

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I like Milos' singing style; a lot more smoothness in it. I hope and try to get to that point in the very near future.

I just hope there are more people like Steven around, who can do this kind of comments on those requesting them.

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I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott

Jian,  Once people can see who can, and is willing to listen, better yet once the whole SS mess get's turned around, and people see what people really want, they will be happy to tell them how they feel they could improve...THere's never been a foot in the door to critiquing yet....It's been made a mess of...people that can't critique, attempting on people that don't want a critique is an explosive combo...It shouldn't be over there...

Incidently, I'm not "correct or right", there are MANY ways to do a song.. it just MY feelings as to what might improve it...I'm willing to put my critique to crossfire and listen when someone want's to challenge it and disagree....There are different ways to do any song...the more people that comment the better...They can disagree with me,  that'd be good, might be the best thing that a singer can experience,  a group effort of musicians inputting to help them improve

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ll. no not at all, i felt a little different on it then u did....i feel phraseing is very important,  i heard frank was the best at it....i have sung songs before and phrased them 1 way then listened to the artist and with his phrasing would come up with a completely different feeling for the song,  
my down fall is that i don't pay enough attention to pheasing, i just sing and add emotion were I feel its needed, and try to tell the story the way I feel it shuld be told....i get that I person in a lotta trouble sometimes thinging that way......

now to milo....i felt she lacked energy on this song, wasn't really into it completely as she should have been,  but she did say it was a 1 take and that she was recording so peeps could tell her whats wrong... she is an excellent singer witha beauitful voice, i hear basic things when i listen, u hear a lot more detailed then i, maybe the fact that you don't sing helps you to hear, not sure

its fun to read ur critiques and then go see what i hear, somethings i agree with some i don't but hey, thats how it should be i think....

over all i feel she did VERY GOOD but she can do better....

now how did you know that?  

i'll check out those places tomorrow.....billy does have a critique he'll put here also....we both felt the song was very lackluster....i did kind of throw it out there and it's obvious i'm tired.....couldn't hit those low notes like i usually can either....i'm looking forward to polishing this up a bit.....thanks so much hon...if you think of anything else let me know.....  :)

Well, I'm glad Billy critiqued too....I wish we'd get more people in here doing this... I liked having CCindy in here...I fear because I got analytical during critiques she got discouraged and left  :(  I didn't want to do that, or feel anyone should take a similar approach to this, or anything.... It's not a contest...any imput from anyone is fine...I wish she'd take part again...

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oh yea the low notes......weren't really to low just didn't hit them, but i know she can, and will...can't wait for the 10 version.

steven i do think ur doing a great job here,  ty so much my friend

I think Milos' approach to the song as mellow and that is good. Billy and Steven refer to it as 'lackluster'. My approach was at best rough.

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I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott

Billy, Yeah... I just sat at the piano for years and listened to the vocalist like a dog watching the master...that's where my cues came from.. I had to accompany the vocalists dynamics, and feel what the vocalist was going for... Yet I think alot of you that sing have a much keener ear..

Yeah, Jeannes a fabulous singer, that's why I got VERY specific, and dissected stuff...Last thing I felt could help her was to say FABULOUS,  everything was perfect... There was one song I felt was perfectly done, she couldn't have done anything better than she did...I'd have said, don't touch it...leave it as that, to me it's perfect...SOmetimes I'll have to say, I dunno...Sounds too good to me to critique...hehehe

You're absolutely correct of course Billy, regarding MANY ways to sing a song..

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Jian, Like I'd mentioned.  You and Jeanne couldn't perform this song the same way, you have very different styles of singing...What I say Jeanne might benefit from. Is only because I envision her singing this in the actual "big band" genre of the 1940's.. That was just *MY* image...Few males, except of course those like Frank sinatra would want to sing it that way, so what I say to Jeanne, I'm not suggest YOU try...You are two different vocal styles, different genders, with differing experience..

Jian,  both Billy and Jeanne are professional ability singers in my mind.. If there are people that would come close to highest rankings in here...Billy and Jeanne are two of them...They are VERY tough for me to critique.. ALOT of the time I have to say, "I dunno"...  That's why I wish Jazzy were in here.  You know who else has an AMAZINGLY good ear ?   Gilly...  She'd be a great help in this category,, I could learn alot from others that good

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Steven,

I will sub an other standard in a few hrs time. I just record it and I have yet to mix it. I sing it a little more layback and like you say with a snaping fingers.

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Great Jian,  I'll be around off and on.....I was wondering, are there songs that are in YOUR language that would be familiar to those of us in the US ?   Reason being, I thinkl the best vehicle for your singing skills. would be a song in your language.  That would be the best way (I think) to understand your strengths and weaknesses alike

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Got two Emails from others that are private Critiques, It's great to know that there are people that really can benefit from other's input, and also realize that critique doesn't in anyway reflect on how good a singer or a person is...It's just asking to borrow another persons ears... One person pointed out that as good as they might appear to be in SS....  People develop certain habits that they themselves don't readily spot, and having an objective ear helps them to hone in on areas they DO very much want to improve on, sad thing is, noone in SS mentions weak area's to them, people are afraid to...So the habit develops even further...

I suppose SS isn't really the place for critiques now...The thread for those that care to come to it, as well as private of course.....seems to make most sense...

I really wish more would take part...So-far I've only gotten bitten twice, kicked in the groin 6 times, and have been threatened.... but it's really not as bad a process as I thought it would be.

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Steven, You have the advantage when giving critiques, cos you don't sub songs here, and by your own admission do not sing.

My other song (Till There Was You) is up at SS, have a go at it. I did add a little revb to the vox. The recording set up is the same.

I will sub a malay song sometime next week. Its week end in my part of the world here and I dont do recording over the week end tho' I may be at the comp. I have some song in mind and they are mostly malay classic rock, a genre you are familiar with. I try get the lyric printed out too.


Thanks buddy.

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I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott